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I understand that is what you believe. As I said, I chalk it up to our very different views of what the Bible actually is. Even if you were to explain why you are certain it is impossible, (you know you haven’t yet, right?) it’s entirely possible that we still wouldn’t find agreement. I’m okay with that. You’re not condemning anyone to God’s unending wrath and torment.
LOL, it's not up to my opinion or your opinion, I wouldn't expect everyone to understand. I am not saying that I know more than anyone else, I am saying that in the company of serious bible scholars who know the law and who know the history of Israel would all have a one word conclusion,'' Silly.''
I posted a thread about this in the Judaism forum, and who knows if anyone will even reply because it is a non issue unless there is a great deal written about it in the oral Torah, and if I found that evidence, I doubt I would still agree, but I would sure be willing to consider it.
If the author meant to show David and Jonathon in a Homosexual relationship, understand that IT MUST BE DISCUSSED IN THE ORAL TORAH......Since I am no Oral Torah scholar, I really don't know, But I do know there is a mountain of scripture that would be missing from that one event, and there is no doubt about this. Not only would it have to been dealt with in the Oral Torah, the repercussions of David's prophets and people would have been huge. There would be so much written and there isn't.
If somebody who knows the Oral Torah comes in here and says that it has been verified that scripture shows David and Jonathon to have been in a homosexual relationship, then I may consider, and if the scripture means to show David in a homosexual relationship, it isn't possible that the Oral Torah does not have ten chapters devoted to that one thing....It should go without saying....
Then we have things written in Hebrew that also have particular meaning, and so I don't even know all the ways there might be to show how ridiculous it would be to try and shoe a homosexual relationship, but I know there are even more ways than I am showing.
The thing is, it’s weird to me that people can accept that their Bible heroes were guilty of all kinds of terrible things, but the thought that one or more of them might have had a sexual attraction to someone of the same gender is completely out of the question for them. That speaks to the title of this thread.
For me it is just a question of how the possibility is being used and how it is a futile gesture at best. All it does is alienate further those who are already alienated as far as I can see.
For me it is just a question of how the possibility is being used and how it is a futile gesture at best. All it does is alienate further those who are already alienated as far as I can see.
So it’s not possible because they didn’t write lots about it? Why would they have had to do that?
That is just the most obvious reason.
We are talking about a man that we can know, we know his heart and we know that his sins were always before his face, NOBODY loved the law more than David, it was his whole life. A king of Judah in Judaism could not proclaim himself to be in a Homosexual relationship committing adultery against his own wife, and the other person also committing adultery against his own wife. Not only would the Homosexual relationship be dealt with, but the adultery of David and Jonathon would have been dealt with......It is impossible not to be dealt with, and more than this, the symbolism of their relationship is a whole other book. David is symbolic of Messiah, and so is Joseph, but it is David who will rule in the last days and everything David did was scrutinized, we are shown all his sins Pleroo. It is impossible that the author meant to show a Homosexual relationship....Why is that people want to show David and Jonathon as bi lovers who are both Married?
Is it impossible to believe two men could have such a bond without being gay?
Their bond was a deeply spiritual bond, so much so, that they made a covenant with each other, and it just happens to be the greatest love story of the bible, the love between Jonathon and Benjamin, and the reason it is the greatest love story is because it is showing how all people should surrender to he who is appointed Messiah.
We are talking about a man that we can know, we know his heart and we know that his sins were always before his face, NOBODY loved the law more than David, it was his whole life. A king of Judah in Judaism could not proclaim himself to be in a Homosexual relationship committing adultery against his own wife, and the other person also committing adultery against his own wife. Not only would the Homosexual relationship be dealt with, but the adultery of David and Jonathon would have been dealt with......It is impossible not to be dealt with, and more than this, the symbolism of their relationship is a whole other book. David is symbolic of Messiah, and so is Joseph, but it is David who will rule in the last days and everything David did was scrutinized, we are shown all his sins Pleroo. It is impossible that the author meant to show a Homosexual relationship....Why is that people want to show David and Jonathon as bi lovers who are both Married?
Is it impossible to believe two men could have such a bond without being gay?
Their bond was a deeply spiritual bond, so much so, that they made a covenant with each other, and it just happens to be the greatest love story of the bible, the love between Jonathon and Benjamin, and the reason it is the greatest love story is because it is showing how all people should surrender to he who is appointed Messiah.
There would be so much written and there isn't.
And if they (one or both) had been sexually attracted to the other, it wouldn’t have diminished that spiritual bond in the least.
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That speaks to the title of this thread.