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I am certain he wasn't gay, if there was any chance that he was, I wouldn't mind admitting it, again, sounds very silly. Jonathon was to be king, he recognized David as King and gave up everything for David.
It's something you would see in a Christian forum where everything goes, it wouldn't fly anywhere else.
I understand you might be mistaken about what Saul says in berating Jonathon.....But mistaken you are, it has nothing to do with sex. Jonathon gave up his kingdom to a person not of his family and not of his tribe, there is NO WAY POSSIBLE to make that scripture about sex.
Again, this is a Christian thing, it is people discussing a religion they are not in, and a people they don't understand.
And if the liberals who support gay relationshiips should realize that there was no such relationship among those they suspect might have, would it make any difference whatsoever?
It doesn't to me.
I don’t think any non fundamentalist Christian is claiming it would make a difference to them, personally. But it does make a difference to the fundamentalists that it apparently presents itself as a possibility.
Nothing Scripturally points to the two women being lovers. It rather points out the steps a woman in that time frame might take to find a male provider.
On the other hand, Hanni ignores the potential implications of a term that does have sexual connotations to it so that it fits in with his preconceived notion that it couldn't have been.
I myself see both possibilities, and there is no clear Scriptural view in the story to suggest otherwise.
Nothing Scripturally points to the two women being lovers. It rather points out the steps a woman in that time frame might take to find a male provider.
On the other hand, Hanni ignores the potential implications of a term that does have sexual connotations to it so that it fits in with his preconceived notion that it couldn't have been.
I myself see both possibilities, and there is no clear Scriptural view in the story to suggest otherwise.
I don't ignore anything, I have converted from one religion to the other because I admit what I read. What is trying to be insinuated is silly.....Again, it would only fly in the Christianity forum because of the fact that it is so silly that no debate would be needed amongst people in Judaism, it is a non issue, it simply did not happen, and there is nothing to insinuate it happening.
I don't mind if people want to believe what they want to believe, it's just silly, and again, If I wanted to prove and show people in the bible transgressing the law, I have many ways to do that, but Jonathan and David is not one of them.....
If there was even a sliver of doubt, then I would consider it, but there is NOTHING there to insinuate anything, it doesn't exist, it is a non issue, and where Christians outside of Judaism may like to assume things, it is an impossibility for those in Judaism........I think I will start a thread in Judaism asking how silly it is on a scale from one to ten, and maybe somebody there can make Gentiles understand how silly it is.
I don't ignore anything, I have converted from one religion to the other because I admit what I read. What is trying to be insinuated is silly.....Again, it would only fly in the Christianity forum because of the fact that it is so silly that no debate would be needed amongst people in Judaism, it is a non issue, it simply did not happen, and there is nothing to insinuate it happening.
I don't mind if people want to believe what they want to believe, it's just silly, and again, If I wanted to prove and show people in the bible transgressing the law, I have many ways to do that, but Jonathan and David is not one of them.....
If there was even a sliver of doubt, then I would consider it, but there is NOTHING there to insinuate anything, it doesn't exist, it is a non issue, and where Christians outside of Judaism may like to assume things, it is an impossibility for those in Judaism........I think I will start a thread in Judaism asking how silly it is on a scale from one to ten, and maybe somebody there can make Gentiles understand how silly it is.
Nothing Scripturally points to the two women being lovers. It rather points out the steps a woman in that time frame might take to find a male provider.
There is when you go to the original text.
The same Hebrew word (dabaq) is used to describe Adam’s feelings for Eve and Ruth’s feelings for Naomi. In Genesis 2:24 it says, “Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.” The way that Adam “cleaved” to Eve is the way that Ruth “clung” to Naomi.
Marriage vows to this day validated this interpretation as a model for how spouses should love each other.
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