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Old 09-06-2017, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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The only visible way to show that you love god, is to follow is commandments. You can’t say I love god and practice homosexuality, if you are homosexual and stop doing homosexual activities then you can prove that you love god, and the same can be said about liars, adulteress, fornicators, sabbath breakers, idol worshipers etc. at gods eyes they all fall short. And the worst of all, people who twist the scriptures, and teach people to do immoral things.
You don't know how to read and understand Scripture as Jesus did. If you wish to learn, get the book Disarming Scrpture. If you already know it all---don't.

"It's what you learn after you know it all that really counts."
John Wooden, coach of ten time NCAA basketball champions UCLA

Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. I John 4:8
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Old 09-06-2017, 02:58 PM
 
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The true "good news" is that you, Warden, pcamps, thrill and many, many others escaped that mental/emotional prison of cognitive dissonance that ensnarls biblical literalists.
The Good news is the Victory. The Crowning Glory of the Son who gives us the Helper.


Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.







Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.


Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.



Search the Scriptures and these verses are literal, and fundamental rudiments.
Simple put, Christ is telling them Moses is not your salvation.

Moses was saved By the Mashiach.

I once heard time were fluid. Yet this is very difficult to show with scripture alone.

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Old 09-06-2017, 03:19 PM
 
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"Luke tells us that the response of Jesus was not to affirm this narrative, but to sternly rebuke his disciples. In that rebuke of Jesus is an implicit yet clear rejection of the way of Elijah as well. Later manuscripts include the response of Jesus, “You do not know what kind of spirit you are of, for the Son of Man did not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them” (Luke 9: 55–56). 22 In other words, Jesus is essentially saying that the way of Elijah is not of God, but instead belongs to the spirit of the one who seeks to destroy, that is, of the devil."


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Sorry, but are you the Mashiach or repeating a narrative.

Only the Holy Spirit will reveal the truth of the matter.

What's more. Satan accused moses and elijah. Yet there they are with Christ in Glory.




Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus.
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Old 09-06-2017, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Pilot Point, TX
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Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
That's the verse I was going to post -


God has made a new covenant with man; so many (many, many, many!) think that we're under several covenants at once, and not dividing scripture rightly.
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Old 09-06-2017, 03:50 PM
 
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Sorry, but are you the Mashiach or repeating a narrative.

Only the Holy Spirit will reveal the truth of the matter.

What's more. Satan accused moses and elijah. Yet there they are with Christ in Glory.




Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus.
And the Holy Spirit puts it by you, Rbbi, Orion rules and Daqq to see if hes got it right, then leaves as confused as the rest of us.

God is not the author of confusion.
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Old 09-06-2017, 03:52 PM
 
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Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus.

But the Father told Peter, James & John to listen to only Jesus.


Peter - rock (10 commandments)
James - supplanted (changed)
John - grace


The law has changed to grace...
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Old 09-06-2017, 04:17 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Remember, Paul’s conversion to Christ was not one of a “sinner” who finds religion. Paul already had religion, and describes himself in fact as a religious zealot who could boast that his observance of the Torah was “faultless” (Phil 3: 6). So while Luther might say “no one can keep the law,” Paul here declares that he had in fact kept it flawlessly.

Yet despite this, Paul came to regard himself as “the worst of all sinners” and “a violent man” (1 Tim 1: 13, 15). He confesses painfully, “I do not even deserve to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God” (1 Cor 15: 9).

Paul’s own self-described sin was one that was committed in the name of religion. It was not a sin that came from a failure to keep the law, but one committed in the practice of carrying it out and defending it by means of violence. Paul’s conversion was one away from religious fanaticism. In other words, Paul did not see himself as rejecting his Jewish faith or Israel’s scriptures, but rather as rejecting his former violent interpretation of them. Paul’s great sin—as he came to understand it—had been participation in what he understood as religiously justified acts of violence, motivated by religious zeal.
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That same logic of using divine-sanctioned violence to preserve purity had driven Paul to violently persecute the church. So while we have seen that Jesus rejected the violent way of Elijah; Paul in contrast had formerly seen Elijah’s example of violence as an inspiration and model.

In sum, before his conversion, Paul had read his Bible and concluded that he should commit violence in God’s name. After his encounter with Christ, and his experience of healing and enemy love from Jesus’ disciples (Acts 9: 11–18), Paul needed to completely reassess how to understand the Scripture he had previously read in this toxic and violent way, leading him to a radically different understanding of God’s will, and a radically different way of interpreting those same Scriptures.
Derek Flood, Disarming Scripture: Cherry-Picking Liberals, Violence-Loving Conservatives, and Why We All Need to Learn to Read the Bible Like Jesus Did; Chapter Three
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Old 09-06-2017, 04:46 PM
 
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Sorry, but are you the Mashiach or repeating a narrative.
Only the Holy Spirit will reveal the truth of the matter.
What's more. Satan accused moses and elijah. Yet there they are with Christ in Glory.
Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus.
I find the transfiguration was a VISION according to Matthew 17:9 and Not a real or actual happening.
The actual time of Jesus' glory time is still future according to Matthew 25:31-33.
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Old 09-06-2017, 04:52 PM
 
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The Good news is the Victory. The Crowning Glory of the Son who gives us the Helper.
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
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Body and soul in biblical hell or in Gehenna.
KJV translated the word Gehenna into English as the word hell.
Biblical hell is just the temporary grave where dead Jesus went the day he died according to Acts 2:27; Psalm 16:10.
Whereas Gehenna was a grabage pit outside of Jerusalem where things were destroyed forever Not burning forever.
So, we are to have reverential fear of displeasing God so as Not to be destroyed.
ALL the wicked will be destroyed forever according to Psalm 92:7 and Not burnt.
We are all given two (2) choices to either ' repent ' or ' perish ' ( be destroyed ) according to 2nd Peter 3:9.
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Old 09-06-2017, 04:53 PM
 
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And the Holy Spirit puts it by you, Rbbi, Orion rules and Daqq to see if hes got it right, then leaves as confused as the rest of us.

God is not the author of confusion.

While in the flesh would you refuse otherwise.

The HolySpirit is pure.
And what we share in fellowship is given and shared from above.

If not we would all be sharing some kind of babel like a discordant mass of sound.

Those that lack The Spirit of Knowledge will be destroyed.

So yes the Lord is not a giver of confusion. We all begin with a cry. Yet only our loved ones know what are needs are. And so your Mother provides first. Which is why the Honor of the mother is to name the son/daughter, then further instruction from the father is given.


With a Promise?

1Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. 2“Honor your father and mother” (which is the first commandment with a promise), 3“that it may go well with you and that you may be long-lived on the earth.”…


1Then a shoot will spring from the stem of Jesse, And a branch from his roots will bear fruit. 2The Spirit of the LORD will rest on Him, The spirit of wisdom and understanding, The spirit of counsel and strength, The spirit of knowledge and the fear of the LORD. 3And He will delight in the fear of the LORD, And He will not judge by what His eyes see, Nor make a decision by what His ears hear;…






Yet here we are speaking of the Lawgivers.
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