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Never mind, Trout, she is a God unto herself---one interested in unquestioning obedience to the letter of the Law that both Jesus and Paul wouldn't even quote correctly because they knew such unquestioning obedience literally killed people. Paul himself was a murderer using the Law prior to his conversion, so he knew well the heart of darkness that dwells in unquestioning obedience.
She has stated that within Scripture there are not contrary voices--and no matter how many are revealed to her she refuses to accept it as she is so on love with that darkness. Jesus healed a man on the Sabbath, contrary to the Law, because He knew faithful questioning is what God desires. He stood for a woman caught in adultery contrary to the Law because unquestioning obedience would have murdered her.
For all her claims of "hearing" God, she is fooling only herself. Because Jesus doesn't glorify the majority voices in the OT, He points out the minority views.
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“You don’t have His word living in you, because you don’t believe the One He sent. You study the Scriptures because you think you have eternal life in them, yet they testify about Me. And you are not willing to come to Me so that you may have life.”
- John 5:39-40 HCSB
The Law in the OT testifies about the Law. But Jesus brought a unique and unprecedented view that the Law really testified about Him.
Further, notice rbbi1 doesn't argue against the points made in DISARMING SCRIPTURE, instead she tackles peripheral problems because she cannot find any "scriptural" reason Paul and Jesus would quote the OT but leave out the vengeful parts that she hides in her heart of darkness. So she complains and laughs about "forms of religion" because, like the Pharisees of Jesus' time, she is incapable of seeing Jesus stand up for sinners nor of rejecting the genocidal God view in the OT.
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----we find within the Old Testament the direct words of God proclaimed by the prophets contradicted by the direct words of God proclaimed by other prophets, again reflecting how central dispute is to the character of the Hebrew Bible. For example, the law declares that God takes pleasure in destroying people, while the prophets, in contrast, emphatically state that the opposite is the case: In Deuteronomy we read “Just as it pleased the Lord to make you prosper and increase in number, so it will please him to ruin and destroy you” (Dt 28: 63). Yet Ezekiel declares, “As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign Lord, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked!” (Ezek 33: 11). In one account God takes pleasure in destruction, and in another this is emphatically denied. “As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign Lord.”
Derek Flood, Disarming Scripture---etc.
These contrary voices in Scripture are very disturbing for those with a Scriptural worldview of unquestioning obedience. It is easy to observe reasonably that Jesus doesn't hold with the majority view, but rather the minority view. It's THE major lesson He came to teach His follower----that their unquestioning obedience was literally killing folks. They needed a new way to see Scripture---and He died because the religious leaders refused to accept it. They wanted their "power" to control other people. And that is the heart of the matter for the rbbi1's and pinacled' of this forum. But it is a heart of darkness.
We need to band together to stand against such powermongers who wish to threaten freedom of thought as well as belief. We love Jesus the Jew, but also all Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, 'animists" and those wonderful pagans. Is this a recipe for disaster? No, it's our only hope of survival.
In his terrific book, Grapes of Wrath John Steinbeck's character, Casey, decides to help form a labor union to help the poor Okies (it gets him killed), but he has this wonderful line "without us, God will not; without God, we cannot."
God needs us to stand against those waving a standard of unquestioning obedience. He will not take matters into His own hands. At the same time we need Him to enable us to take that stance lovingly but uncompromisingly. That's God using people, and people able to stand because God is with them.
Well, "she" is right here, no need to go around me to insult me. You have created your own G-d and your own religion that bears no resemblance to the one He died for, nor for the scriptures He and the disciples all upheld, most of which you ignore because it doesn't fit your man made images. Peace
Please note, Trout, once again no response to the contrary Scriptures, just hubris that it isn't a problem for her to hold a doctrine of unwavering obedience to a genocidal god whom she calls good, but whom both Jesus and Paul rejected in favor of love and acceptance of the unlovable.
Probably because I, as well as others on here, have pointed to the errors of your view a hundred times on here. And I already pointed out in your defective book, that Paul left out that part of the scripture you quoted because of the inclusion of the Gentiles into the JEWISH covenant, not because of some duplicity or error on his part.
I suppose once you buy into the lie that the scriptures are not valid, it's all downhill from there, which is why you heap to yourself others with itching ears that wrote books declaring the same error. C'est la vie. Peace
But Scripture can only be valid through the lens of Jesus as Lord.
But genocidal, maniacal gods are the invention of Satan filled people who see evil as the result of sin and riches as the result of unquestioning obedience. Never mind that Jesus was homeless and didn't even have a second pair of sandals to wear, the elitist Pharisees love to tout the carnal riches their god "promises" them while ignoring the plight of the poor and worshiping in their god's house of comfortable pews, stained glass windows, and recreation centers.
Doing justice cannot be separated from hating injustice; loving kindness cannot be separated from despising cruelty; and walking humbly with God still requires us to stand up and walk!
Those are the actions of people of faith, while Satan's lies are all talk about which "inner" court a fundamentalist is proud-fully seated in.
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They answered, “Grant that one of us may sit at Your right hand and the other at Your left in Your glory.” “You do not know what you are asking,” Jesus replied. “Can you drink the cup I will drink, or be baptized with the baptism I will undergo?
Mark 10:37-38
Ah, yes Lord, if it means I get more "stuff" to hog for myself!
This from people who crucify Jesus along with every decent thing He taught.
Go chop the heads off those sinners Jesus and show us how much you "love" them as we do.
Fundamentalists don't need god to do their killing--they enjoy that whether it is literal or verbal. They just need justification for their version of a "love-feast."
Funny how the Lord told us to pray to the Father, the same Father whose scriptures He and the disciples said were living oracles of G-d, given He was such a "genocidal manical god and all". Repent while you still can and return unto your first love.
And YOU, and the rest of your ilk have no room to complain about anything verbal. You attack every Christian that comes on this board trying to run them off so you can continue to spout your man made doctrines without opposition or having your glaring errors pointed out to you, and then proclaim yourselves the epitome of His love, all the while doing it. It's quite sickening, actually.
At least you got one thing "sort of" right. "John" does have to lose his head. And you have chosen to remain unlearned of the inner court, so why talk about that which you do not know? Peace
Funny how the Lord told us to pray to the Father, the same Father whose scriptures He and the disciples said were living oracles of G-d, given He was such a "genocidal manical god and all". Repent while you still can and return unto your first love.
Jesus KNEW the Father and knew that the Scriptures were wrong about God's true nature because they were under a primitive veil of ignorance (blind minds).
2 Corinthians 3:14-17
But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
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