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Old 11-09-2018, 08:37 PM
 
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Where does it say that the law will be written on one’s heart other than the NT?...





true but it is written in the OT, scripture, Jer 31:33 "But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Jer 31:34 "And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more".


well clearly in Jer 31:33 the Lord God almighty did say he will write his Law in their "HEARTS".
God's law is in the hearts of His people. Jesus did not undo it. He actually commissioned His followers to uphold it.
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Old 11-10-2018, 10:16 AM
 
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The laws job was to increase sin and condemn.....that's it......if it could save you Jesus would have left it in place.......and saved a trip to the cross

Jesus was born under the law of ISRAEL and taught under the law of ISRAEL.....and HE was the author of the law of ISRAEL.......and HE spoke about to the Jews of His earthly ministry........we GENTILES were not there for that. After the cross Jesus personally gave Paul the message of grace for the Gentiles and the Jews, but it hasn't sunk in yet..............
Jesus did leave the law in place, how do I respond if you begin with something that isn't true? You are flesh, people are flesh, do you get this? The law concerns flesh and as long as people are flesh, there will be a law not to murder. There are two laws, one for the flesh and one for the spirt, but Jesus certainly didn't take the law away and neither could he have.
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Old 11-10-2018, 02:26 PM
 
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Where does it say that the law will be written on one’s heart other than the NT?...





true but it is written in the OT, scripture, Jer 31:33 "But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Jer 31:34 "And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more".


well clearly in Jer 31:33 the Lord God almighty did say he will write his Law in their "HEARTS".
Yes, the hearts of Israel...
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Old 11-10-2018, 02:27 PM
 
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It is no secret what fulfill means with respect to the law - it means to achieve the goal that the laws were supposed to foster. No one had succeeded, so Jesus did it and made the failures of the rest of us irrelevant.
No, it is the opposite of killing the law...
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Old 11-10-2018, 02:43 PM
 
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Yes, the hearts of Israel...
Why don't Christians recognize that if they aren't Ephraim or Judah, they have no right to claim the covenant of Jeremiah 31?

Denial?

It doesn't even seem to be denial, they really believe it when the scripture proves them wrong.
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Old 11-10-2018, 02:46 PM
 
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We are shown how thousands and thousands of Jews became even more zealous to keep the laws of Moses, and this proves that Christians aren't in the same religion as the believing Jews.

The law wasn't done away with, it was the punishments that were taken away.
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Old 11-10-2018, 04:42 PM
 
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Who was it that Paul wrote to?..

After the Jews/Romans/our sin killed Jesus He turned from the Jews and sent Paul to the Gentiles. As you know plan A was to have Israel be priests to the Gentile nations, but ONLY if every Jew accepted their Messiah. That wasn't going to happen (but 144,000 sealed Jews would proclaim Christ to the world in the TRIB) Paul was given the message of grace hidden in the mind of God for centuries, much to the relief of all those who know NO ONE ever kept the law but Christ himself.
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Old 11-10-2018, 04:47 PM
 
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Hmmm, Paul’s buddy Luke wrote that...How do you know that it wasn’t made up?...
On what basis do you think it's false?


Believers all know that's scripture and it will stand for eternity....


Those who think the book is fake have no part in Christ......Jesus quoted scripture and that settles it.....
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Old 11-10-2018, 05:02 PM
 
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Now where does it state in Torah that the Law’s job was to increase sin?...I mean, since there were many in the Tanakh that were considered righteous, like Job...


Clearly that verse isn't in the Torah.......Jesus had a word for anybody who thinks they are righteous in this life

English Standard Version
And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.

Do a study on the mysteries revealed to Paul.......He was given a deeper understanding, personally tutored by Christ.......and as you know a master in the law, studied under Gamaliel.
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Old 11-10-2018, 05:11 PM
 
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These are national things, not individuals being saved from being human beings..... the churches are saved by grace and not under the law, but they also need to overcome and heed the words of prophecy to and about Israel, both the Jew and gentile are to unite under Christ (Messiah) to make one body .... the new man, the new creation ... this is not about individuals.

There is a lot of allegory, metaphor, symbols in the scriptures which when read literally lead you into error. You can not mix the flesh with the spirit or the literal with the figurative.
Most of the book is to be taken literally unless it obviously is symbolic

There are THREE primary symbolic books in the Bible.......Daniel-Ezekiel-and Revelation.......

Do you know what the "dry bones" in Ezekiel refer to? (extra credit)
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