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Old 03-27-2010, 03:51 AM
 
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If that contradicts the content of #117, why does it?
Because it's a done deal . It's finished . He is the Savior of all. He paid for our sin with His own blood. The debt has been paid .

God is no longer counting men's sin against them 2 Cor 5 verse 19
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Old 03-27-2010, 03:51 AM
 
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O.K. we agree that Jesus died for the sins of all- past, present and future.
But then you say: "only those who trust in Jesus' sacrifice will actually receive forgiveness." The only way anyone can believe is if God gives them faith to believe in the first place. So the responsibility rests on God, not man.
Which he fulfilled, by dying on the cross. Though that was hardly a responsibility.

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Fair is fair. If all mankind can be made sinners due to what Adam did then all mankind can be made righteous due to what Christ did.
Can be, yes. But nobody is forced to accept righteousness. Most people detest it. Everyone gets what they really want.
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Old 03-27-2010, 03:54 AM
 
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Because it's a done deal . It's finished . He is the Savior of all. He paid for our sin with His own blood. The debt has been paid .
But people don't agree that there's a debt to be paid. And their view is respected.
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Old 03-27-2010, 03:57 AM
 
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But people don't agree that there's a debt to be paid. And their view is respected.
If the debt's been paid there is nothing owing right ?
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Old 03-27-2010, 03:59 AM
 
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If the debt's been paid there is nothing owing right ?
Nothing owing as far as God's status is concerned, but possibly everything owing as far as his choice of company is concerned. Those who reject Christ choose their own company.
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Old 03-27-2010, 04:01 AM
 
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Nothing owing as far as God's status is concerned, but possibly everything owing as far as his choice of company is concerned. Those who reject Christ choose their own company.
Sorry that makes no sense at all .
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Old 03-27-2010, 04:08 AM
 
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Jesus died for the sins of all- past, present, future. So no-one can claim to have acted with impunity, and to be God rather than Jesus. However, only those who trust in Jesus' sacrifice will actually receive forgiveness, because to fail to trust is either to fail to accept that one has sinned, or to accept that one has sinned but say that one's sin is acceptable. And to say that is to commit the unforgivable sin, and to make oneself answerable for one's sins. Which of course is fatal, and most will not actually be saved.
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Old 03-27-2010, 04:12 AM
 
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What a perversion of the scripture and nature and character of God.

What purpose does it serve burning the lost how you fundy's claim eternally ?

Yet you are shocked by the thought of Hitler being forgiven
what makes fundamental religion so attractive to the corrupt is because it is designed to be about an acceptance into a club rather than about one's actual character.

this is why it's so easy to get into heaven by just accepting jesus and god, who did all the work and sacrifice(for other's sins?).

technically, it seems to be rather like using something.

as far as burning others who don't, there is no point. it just seems to be an act of prejudice or a metaphor for prejudice.

accepting some god or jesus would be empty in itself unless they were doing that to live thier lives according to certain principals that it represents.

the problem is religions says that you cannot earn your way and it's basically a gift. then ethics is just a sidepoint and not a real determiner. that is why so many unethical people love religon too. i'm not saying all of them are but it does appeal to a lot of people who have a sense of entitlement.
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Old 03-27-2010, 04:14 AM
 
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Because it's what they/we deserve.

He does not treat us as our sins deserve or repay us according to our iniquities.

Psalm 103 verse 10
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Old 03-27-2010, 04:17 AM
 
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He does not treat us as our sins deserve or repay us according to our iniquities.

Psalm 103 verse 10
Because he died for us.
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