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That is the point that seems to go by the wayside....if there is no eternity\eternal\everlasting about hell, then heaven isn't either (eternity\eternal\everlasting).
The point of the spear (so to speak), the message of UR is that there is no absolutes about what a saving faith is required by God. I can not think of anything less loving than a message of apathy for the unbeliever. UR removes accountability for unbelief.
What it's really saying is"
"God loves you, so believe whatever, whenever or not at all; ultimately it doesn't matter."
" Jesus (when quoted) 'Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to.' is ultimately saying this out of pure fear mongering..there is no eternal hell, or hell (or whatever the reason)
Twin... what is unloving about a message of apathy for the unbeliever?
And why would their be accountability for unbelief? It doesn't seem right to be accountable for belief in something intangible or unseen. IMO
In the portion of the verse you quoted have you ever wondered why Jesus states to make every effort to enter but some will try and not be able to?
"make every effort" is translated from the word agonizomai meaning: to struggle, literally (to compete for a prize), figuratively (to contend with an adversary), or genitive case (to endeavor to accomplish something) -- fight, labor fervently, strive.
Compare that to the word zeteo translated as "try" meaning: to seek; specially, (by Hebraism) to worship (God), or (in a bad sense) to plot (against life)
So in contrast these two words are in keeping with what is told to the leaders of the synagogue... some will try to enter by plotting or worshiping but they will be turned away because they don't know what they are doing... but one who strives or struggles is granted access. That the first may be last and the last first.
The point of the spear (so to speak), the message of UR is that there is no absolutes about what a saving faith is required by God.
You don't understand what UR is. God doesn't have requirements to save us. He loves us. He is love. If your child were drowning, what would you require of that child to go snatch them to safety? You don't get UR at all, and IMO, you don't even understand why Jesus died. He didn't die to give us a choice to make a wise decision. He died to save us from our sins.
Absolutes? There are 33,000 different Christian denominations. There are NO absolutes. Some believe you only have to believe, some believe you have to never sin again, some believe you have to be baptized, some believe you have to repent, some believe if you "think" you have to repent you've added to the believing part and can't even be saved if you "think" that (a CD poster), and the list goes on and on.
There is an absolute with Universalism. Jesus Christ died for the sins of the World. He is the Savior of the World and he will not fail in God's purpose. God is Love. God is forgiving. God is merciful. He is not a sadistic torturer. You reap what you sow, but you are not set on fire for eternity.
There is an absolute with Universalism. Jesus Christ died for the sins of the World. He is the Savior of the World and he will not fail in God's purpose. God is Love. God is forgiving. God is merciful. He is not a sadistic torturer. You reap what you sow, but you are not set on fire for eternity.
Let him drown and hope your theory about UR was correct and he'll be saved after death. That is the UR way.
Well your theory is false since I share my faith with anyone I can because I hope people meet Jesus in this life. If your theory had any merit I wouldn't care, since I do, you don't have any idea what your talking about.
On the other hand, you are not denying that a child would need to accept your help before you would save him from drowning.
On the other hand, you are not denying that a child would need to accept your help before you would save him from drowning.
Child or adult, what difference does it make? Oh, I get it, it sounds better with a child in the story If you don't want to be saved, then you won't be. There are those who choose to drown, and they'll push away anyone trying to help.
Child or adult, what difference does it make? Oh, I get it, it sounds better with a child in the story If you don't want to be saved, then you won't be. There are those who choose to drown, and they'll push away anyone trying to help.
You can substitute child with any thing you feel like, homeless man , homosexual, whoever is more confortable for you to let drown.
I see your responce, I get ya. Mighty convenient. well I couldn't save em, they didn't accept my help.
God, the apathetic human.
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If you don't want to be saved, then you won't be. There are those who choose to drown, and they'll push away anyone trying to help.
