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Is the ideal city one in which 100% of the 25 and over population has obtained at least a Bachelor's degree?
Yea I don't get it about some of these people on here. Granted everyone I hang out with has at least a Bachelor's degree, but why would you always want to meet and socialize with the same type of people when you are out at night or during the day. I talked to this random older fellow on the subway yesterday, he explained how he wanted to reconnect with his son who had moved to Flordia, and how growing up their relation was bad. Random as hell but made me think about life and perspective of what is important. If I didn't have to associate with the Fat A-hole irish guys from the far Northeast and hear the stupid things flow out of their mouths, I would have nothing to laugh about at night ha. Variety of characters is another part of what makes a city a city. You can point to diversity stats all you want, NYC's make up will, in my opinion, be more interesting to me than a small city like SF even though racially it is just as diverse.
No. He used MSA, CSA, and city limits. So no. SF wins the per capita argument on every one of those comparisons. NY is still great though. If you want to take Manhattan out, then NY would have Philly like numbers or worse.
then why not compare SF to Manhattan as a stand alone?
both are very wealthy on average
and with Philly; while there are no shortage of wealthy in the city there is also an over-abundance of poverty and uneducated
I really like (among my favorite places in the country without a doubt) SF and the Bay but wow I actually think I like it less since starting to read this board - its not utopia as one might think
I don't know how to pull the county data for Manhattan versus SF on these metrics but would be curious
if anything to me SF has sort of become a little too vanilla lately - not as edgy as the city I first fell in love with in the 90s (Manhattan has changed too but the other boroughs add some balance)
I really love both cities; would choose NYC as NYC realistically is one if not the world city; really offers something that cant be found in but a handful of cities in the world. SF is a city for its size that punches above its weight (my city I would say the opposite but improving slowly but surely) but no one would rationally would say its the preeminent city (well Monty would) in the world and NYC can make a case for being the preeminent city. Does that mean many may not prefer SF to NYC, absolutely not but reading these stats reminds me of a commercial I saw years ago where some guy sat in a dark room controlling the weather on his weather machine while outside it was sunny and people were enjoying themselves
No. He used MSA, CSA, and city limits. So no. SF wins the per capita argument on every one of those comparisons. NY is still great though.
If you want to take Manhattan out, then NY would have Philly like numbers or worse.
NYC without Manhattan: per capita income $24,371
Philadelphia: per capita income $21,946
close not there. Only the Bronx has a lower median household income than Philadelphia. Second lowest Brooklyn is 22% higher than Philadelphia.
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No. He used MSA, CSA, and city limits. So no. SF wins the per capita argument on every one of those comparisons. NY is still great though.
If you want to take Manhattan out, then NY would have Philly like numbers or worse.
No, he cherry picked in his comparisons by doing MSA/CSA vs city proper. And SF loses in per capita to Manhattan, which was my point--NYC wins in raw numbers, and if you want to cherry pick for a per capita argument, Manhattan wins the per capita debate, as well, despite being smaller.
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then why not compare SF to Manhattan as a stand alone?
I don't know how to pull the county data for Manhattan versus SF on these metrics but would be curious
I don't know how to pull the county data for Manhattan versus SF on these metrics but would be curious
if anything to me SF has sort of become a little too vanilla lately - not as edgy as the city I first fell in love with in the 90s (Manhattan has changed too but the other boroughs add some balance)
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