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Old 08-09-2013, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Wherabouts Unknown!
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DurangoJoe wrote: the greatest harms from marijuana.........the drug war & it's corrupt bureaucracy

You nailed it buddy! All the $$$$ wasted on this completely useless war, could be going to maintaining & upgrading the National Parks.
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Old 08-09-2013, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Corona
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Last point, really, if you watch the movie " How to make money Selling Drugs " they talk about why cops focus on drug busts..................that is a major source of revenue for new cops, patrol cars, etc. And if they don't keep their same quota drug bust or greater, then the lose Federal funding next year. So they are very incentivized to keep the war going it serves their $$$pocket book and many others.

And if you really listen to former Narc officer Barry Cooper he says he would focus on the money, instead of the drugs, going south, because you can just seize it under the suspicion it's drug money no standard of proof almost.
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Old 08-09-2013, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Fayetteville
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Somebody was bound to ask but lol at bchris being the one who started this thread.

It is interesting though
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Old 08-09-2013, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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The DEA will not approve the study unless it meets their requirements to prove harm & support current drug policy. It must therefore be proposed as a study to prove harm before the DEA will allow the study to be done & for the NIDA to supply the marijuana for the study. It is a requirement that all marijuana used in studies be supplied by them. The title reflects the initial intent of the study & surprise, it meets the objective when the title is finally written.

This has nothing to do with science, this is politics, nothing less.
The Duke U. study dealt with subjects in New Zealand...
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Old 08-09-2013, 07:17 PM
 
Location: The 719
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So the DEA and the War on Drugs is all bad?

It seems to me that with the knowledge and information of drug addicts, the meth user, the cocaine and crack fiend, the heroin addict, etc., the drug cartels, the simple solution is in the hands of you and me.

Just say no and let them go out of business.

How is that working?

So let's fight those crooked bureaucracies, the DEA and the War on Drugs and the pusherman by poking some smot. Perfect.

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Old 08-09-2013, 07:32 PM
 
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The Duke U. study dealt with subjects in New Zealand...
I am aware of that, and New Zealand has a similar approach to drug policy as the US, only research & push negative findings. A fine example of the broad reach of US influence in drug policy. In addition, the resulting study is them shared with media around the world, especially in the US who is viewed as the world leader in drug prohibition.

The US is a charter member of UNODC (UN Office on Drugs & Crime) and uses the group as a tool to bludgeon other UN signatories into line with a prohibition based drug policy. Hence, US style drug policy spreads around the globe.

Quoted from a report by the Harm Reduction Coalition, http://harmreduction.org/wp-content/...DrugPolicy.pdf

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US Role in International Policy
The US has been the “driver” behind the formation and development of the global drug control system since its formation.
The UN was formed in the wake of World War II at a time when the US had economic, military, and overall political power to impose its policy intentions on the rest of the world. Through the present day, member nations who are economically depen- dent on UN aid have little option but to follow the mandates of the international treaties.
The US played a major role in creating the complicated struc- ture of UN drug control organizations and further, supported the appointment of like-minded people to run them. Today, the “prohibitionist block” consists of an uncommon union among the US, Sweden, Japan, China, Muslim countries, the Russian Federation, and most Eastern European countries. Each of these nations has its own differing reasons for opposing drug liberalization, but the strength of their opposition and conformity to US policy poses a formidable threat to nations wishing to abandon the treaties.
This is how the US drug war machine drives the rest of the world into line with US prohibitionist policies. Again, no conspiracies here. They've been doing it since the formation of the UN so you can imagine how engrained it is throughout the world.
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Old 08-09-2013, 09:55 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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I am aware of that, and New Zealand has a similar approach to drug policy as the US, only research & push negative findings. A fine example of the broad reach of US influence in drug policy. In addition, the resulting study is them shared with media around the world, especially in the US who is viewed as the world leader in drug prohibition.

The US is a charter member of UNODC (UN Office on Drugs & Crime) and uses the group as a tool to bludgeon other UN signatories into line with a prohibition based drug policy. Hence, US style drug policy spreads around the globe.

Quoted from a report by the Harm Reduction Coalition, http://harmreduction.org/wp-content/...DrugPolicy.pdf



This is how the US drug war machine drives the rest of the world into line with US prohibitionist policies. Again, no conspiracies here. They've been doing it since the formation of the UN so you can imagine how engrained it is throughout the world.
And a group called Harm Reduction which aims to reduce negative consequences associated with drug use and works for advancing belief in, and respect for, the rights of people who use drugscould never be biased.

Arguing with the pro-marijuana crowd is like arguing with the pro-gun crowd--no matter what evidence is presented, neither group will admit that their beloved weed/gun could ever possibly pose a threat to anyone.

I am done too.
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Old 08-10-2013, 10:09 AM
 
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And a group called Harm Reduction which aims to reduce negative consequences associated with drug use and works for advancing belief in, and respect for, the rights of people who use drugscould never be biased.
Imagine that, a group seeking to reduce harm to people. That can't possibly be a good thing, can it?

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Arguing with the pro-marijuana crowd is like arguing with the pro-gun crowd--no matter what evidence is presented, neither group will admit that their beloved weed/gun could ever possibly pose a threat to anyone.
And that is different from the side you present how? I presented factual information, you simply denounced everything as biased since it doesn't fit your predefined beliefs. Sorry, I'm not s sheeple. I don't follow others with religious fervor based upon "because they said so".

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I am done too.
Adios....

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Old 08-10-2013, 11:31 AM
 
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Imagine that, a group seeking to reduce harm to people. That can't possibly be a good thing.
You mean like Audrey Kishline, the founder of Moderation Management? The gal who thought it would be ok to tell drunks it's ok to drink in moderation? Until she moderated herself to a 0.26, got behind the wheel, and killed a man and his 12 year old daughter? Oh, then she managed to blame A.A. over the deal. Nice. If you get sent to A.A. er- are offered an opportunity to bypass jail time by following a few simple rules, they suggest you abstain from booze. Most abstainers from booze usually appreciate it if you don't smell like bong-water too, but I think these are just suggestions... allegedly.
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Old 08-10-2013, 01:36 PM
 
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DurangoJoe wrote: I don't follow others with religious fervor based upon "because they said so".

They wouldn't say it if it wasn't true. Say it ain't so Joe, say it ain't so.
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