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Old 08-01-2015, 04:56 PM
 
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The reason there would ever be a mandate for, say, 7th graders, would be that they are a vulnerable population, not because anyone believes they're going to pick up HPV in math class by sharing a book.

The flu CAN be very dangerous. Every time it's not, that's awesome. Even if it's not serious, it usually means a lot of lost time, lost productivity. Illness impacts the bottom line. There are so many more considerations than "that one time I (or my daughter or my cousin or...) got it & it was no big deal."

And when the pool of vaccinated people increases, it's harder for an illness to spread. Conversely, when the pool of unvaccinated people is larger, it's easier for an illness to spread. Funny how that works.
Morbidity from VPD (vs. mortality) is often ignored by the anti-vaccination movement.

Ms. Teri indicated she kept a sick child with the flu home for a week from school. I was forced to do something similar with my children. I was forced to miss a couple of days of work as well. This is very rare for me. I won't get into details, but missing a day of work for me is more expensive than most people can imagine. I've probably missed a total of five scheduled days of work over about a ten year period. I've even gone to work with kidney stones bothering me because the alternative of not going to work was worse. What kidney stones couldn't do, the flu could.

In other posts on this topic, I've mentioned missing a week of school as a child because of the mumps. A friend of mine ended up in the hospital because of that disease.

The whole point is that even though these diseases are quite unlikely to kill most people it doesn't mean they aren't worth preventing. The economic cost of these contagious diseases needs to be factored into it as well. If every child in the school misses one week of school in a year, the economic loss to the school district, the taxpayers is substantial. If every adult worker loses 3 to 5 working days to the flu or some other disease, the loss to GDP is substantial. Economic losses from VPD are substantial and alone justify the cost of the vaccine and the effort involved in getting 90% to 95% of the population vaccinated. Additionally, some complications from these diseases do cause permanent impairment.

I wish anti-vaxxers would stop trying to make these diseases seem inconsequential. They are consequential in terms of time off work, time off school, and permanent issues that afflict some who have had the diseases.

 
Old 08-01-2015, 05:02 PM
 
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Originally Posted by leebeemi View Post
The reason there would ever be a mandate for, say, 7th graders, would be that they are a vulnerable population, not because anyone believes they're going to pick up HPV in math class by sharing a book.

The flu CAN be very dangerous. Every time it's not, that's awesome. Even if it's not serious, it usually means a lot of lost time, lost productivity. Illness impacts the bottom line. There are so many more considerations than "that one time I (or my daughter or my cousin or...) got it & it was no big deal."

And when the pool of vaccinated people increases, it's harder for an illness to spread. Conversely, when the pool of unvaccinated people is larger, it's easier for an illness to spread. Funny how that works.
Morbidity from VPD (vs. mortality) is often ignored by the anti-vaccination movement.

Ms. Teri indicated she kept a sick child with the flu home for a week from school. I was forced to do something similar with my children. I was forced to miss a couple of days of work as well. This is very rare for me. I won't get into details, but missing a day of work for me is more expensive than most people can imagine. I've probably missed a total of five scheduled days of work over about a ten year period. I've even gone to work with kidney stones bothering me because the alternative of not going to work was worse. What kidney stones couldn't do, the flu could.

In other posts on this topic, I've mentioned missing a week of school as a child because of the mumps. A friend of mine ended up in the hospital because of that disease.

The whole point is that even though these diseases are quite unlikely to kill most people it doesn't mean they aren't worth preventing. The economic cost of these contagious diseases needs to be factored into it as well. If every child in the school misses one week of school in a year, the economic loss to the school district, the taxpayers is substantial. If every adult worker loses 3 to 5 working days to the flu or some other disease, the loss to GDP is substantial. Medical and hospital expenses required to treat such diseases are quite significant. Economic losses from VPD are substantial and alone justify the cost of the vaccine and the effort involved in getting 90% to 95% of the population vaccinated. Additionally, some complications from these diseases do cause permanent impairment.

I wish anti-vaxxers would stop trying to make these diseases seem inconsequential. They are consequential in terms of time off work, time off school, medical treatment expenses, and permanent issues that afflict some who have had the diseases.

The article I'm quoting below from 2009, states that vaccination saves $13.5 billion per year in direct costs and $88 billion per year in indirect costs.


http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...-0698.full.pdf
 
Old 08-01-2015, 05:09 PM
 
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I wish that pro-mandaters would stop making light of the potential side effects. Japan halted HPV vaccinations in 2013 so that they could fully investigate the reported side effects that are ignored in our country. They have yet to re-instate it. They also don't mandate flu, chicken pox, mumps or rotavirus. The HPV vaccine is currently under investigation in Europe. Here in the US we add it to the "required" list and people cheer. Go figure.

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Old 08-01-2015, 05:22 PM
 
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The article I'm quoting below from 2009, states that vaccination saves $13.5 billion per year in direct costs and $88 billion per year in indirect costs.


http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...-0698.full.pdf
Shall we also mandate things like breastfeeding? That would save lives and billions of dollars as well. .

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If most new moms would breastfeed their babies for the first six months of life, it would save nearly 1,000 lives and billions of dollars each year. <snip>The US incurs $13 billion in excess costs annually and suffers 911 preventable deaths per year because our breastfeeding rates fall below recommended levels.
Study: Lack of breastfeeding costs lives, billions of dollars - CNN.com

Since there is no financial incentive for any industry in more women breastfeeding, I doubt that will ever happen. Formula makers would lobby hard against it. In the case of vaccines, industry supports intervention with their products and has the money to lobby for new mandates. It's a very biased system when it comes to making healthcare decisions for all. Very biased. Lives and money only seem to be important in terms of saving when there is money to be gained.

Imagine if we banned cigarettes, alcohol and sugar? How many lives and how much money would be saved?

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Old 08-01-2015, 05:51 PM
 
Location: Marquette, Mich
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I wish that pro-mandaters would stop making light of the potential side effects. Japan halted HPV vaccinations in 2013 so that they could fully investigate the reported side effects that are ignored in our country. They have yet to re-instate it. They also don't mandate flu, chicken pox, mumps or rotavirus. The HPV vaccine is currently under investigation in Europe. Here in the US we add it to the "required" list and people cheer. Go figure.
HPV is part of the "required" list in Japan.
 
Old 08-01-2015, 05:54 PM
 
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HPV is part of the "required" list in Japan.
It was before it was suspended in 2013. Vaccination Japan Healthcare Info
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HPV vaccine is currently suspended its recommendation due to its questioned side effects (as of June 2013)
 
Old 08-01-2015, 05:58 PM
 
Location: Marquette, Mich
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It was before it was suspended in 2013.
Vaccination Japan Healthcare Info

Well, it's on a list dated April 2014. Is 2014 after 2013? If so, perhaps they investigated and determined it's safe?
 
Old 08-01-2015, 06:07 PM
 
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Well, it's on a list dated April 2014. Is 2014 after 2013? If so, perhaps they investigated and determined it's safe?
According to their vaccine schedule that I shared, it's still suspended. According to other sources, a deadline for a decision on whether to keep the suspension or not was set for April 2014 and that deadline came and went without a decision.
 
Old 08-01-2015, 06:07 PM
 
Location: Washington state
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Keep on the way we're going and this will be the US in another couple of years:

Measles Outbreak 2015: Sudan Cases Are 4 Times Higher Than Last Year Despite Vaccination Campaign
 
Old 08-01-2015, 06:14 PM
 
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Keep on the way we're going and this will be the US in another couple of years:

Measles Outbreak 2015: Sudan Cases Are 4 Times Higher Than Last Year Despite Vaccination Campaign
So you are saying that when our vaccination rate goes up, our cases of measles will follow? That is what is happening in Sudan. Vaccinations rate has been steadily rising in Sudan and currently stands at 85%. Measles cases are rising too it seems.

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