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Same, same for laser pointers that were a great invention for making presentations until some idiot found he could screw with commercial aircraft by deliberately aiming at them..
The man who hit the drone may have an out. Any drone being used for a commercial purpose and this one was, is required to have a permit from the FAA.
Texas is in the process of passing a law limiting how low a drone can fly over residential property. Several other states are considering the same thing.
Exactly. Like anything new there were no guidelines. And then idiots who think they can take their adult toys anywere start peeping in windows and harassing neighbors. I saw a piece on the news where the owner of this one drone ended up in jail for hovering next to the bedroom window. Instead of taking it in their own hands, they called the cops who knocked it down.
It's called personal rights of privacy. As others have pointed out, multiple cities and areas are creating rules for drone use. This man asked the filmer to NOT fly over his house twice. He ignored him. He was already upset. Why not just stop flying it over the house?
If you note, when you see drone footage on tv documentaries and stories, they say this was legally done and in many cases they got a special permit. This means they agreed to follow the rules. Drones aren't toys to play with every time every place and for whatever reason.
If you were in your backyard swimming, and someone was standing on the other side of the fence staring at it, would you say well, nothing we can do about it. Or would you just call the cops? Or go confront the guy and tell him to get lost. If he kept coming back then you might well call. If its a drone hovering over your fence, would you just ignore it or find a kid with a good pitching arm to remove it and its invading eyes?
Whatever 'rules' there are, there also exist respect for others and their privacy and property. Just because the rules are in process (quite a few of them) doesn't give children with drones the right to ignore the need to respect others. If a few baseballs hit their mark, then they shouldn't be at all surprised.
I saw a piece on the news where the owner of this one drone ended up in jail for hovering next to the bedroom window. Instead of taking it in their own hands, they called the cops who knocked it down.
Given that the flight times are measured in minutes and rather severely limited by battery capability, this is not a true story. Peeping is a crime, but this story doesn't fly.
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It's called personal rights of privacy. As others have pointed out, multiple cities and areas are creating rules for drone use. This man asked the filmer to NOT fly over his house twice. He ignored him. He was already upset. Why not just stop flying it over the house?
In the OP, the drunk made no such request. He said "If you put that over my house, I'm going to be p***** off" and further communicated his ignorance on the subject by saying "I don't even think that's legal" after destroying the property of another which was in no way threatening him nor above or on his property.
There's no expectation of privacy in public, like it or not.
Never let facts get in the way of a good story, right?
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If its a drone hovering over your fence, would you just ignore it or find a kid with a good pitching arm to remove it and its invading eyes?
Given that the flight times are measured in minutes and rather severely limited by battery capability, this is not a true story. Peeping is a crime, but this story doesn't fly.
Again, flight times and batteries, dude.
they have a battery life somewhere between 10 and 20 minutes or so, don't they? that's plenty of time to hover around someone's backyard and/or windows. there are videos of them flying everywhere, over rivers, lakes, and the beach. if they can do that, they can go up, over and around a house. obviously batteries will improve and drones will get even better, etc. etc.
people will and have used them for things other than just having fun or for other legitimate reasons; real estate, movies/commercials, wildlife purposes (i don't know, park rangers or something?). but there are weirdos out there who will try to peep in yards and windows. i don't know how anyone can try to deny that. so there needs to be laws put in place to hold these weirdos accountable if they break the law.
if you (anyone) were in your own private backyard and your neighbor got up on a ladder and starting filming you in your yard and into your windows there is nobody that is just going to sit back and allow that to happen without trying to make them stop. if they kept doing it, there would probably be either violence involved or the police. is it legal to do that? i suppose maybe it is, i don't know actually. but should they? of course not! it's called basic human decency. some people don't have that.
i don't agree with what the guy did in the OP case, knocking down the drone on the street like he did. he was probably irritated with how often they fly them around the area. if you check out the people that were flying it, they sell drones. they make instructional videos on how to fly them, they were not filming a random commercial.
there will be more and more restrictions put on drones in the future as more and more incidents and accidents and misuse happens. they (drones) are new so laws haven't been up to date on them yet, but they will. give it time.
Given that the flight times are measured in minutes and rather severely limited by battery capability, this is not a true story. Peeping is a crime, but this story doesn't fly.
In the OP, the drunk made no such request. He said "If you put that over my house, I'm going to be p***** off" and further communicated his ignorance on the subject by saying "I don't even think that's legal" after destroying the property of another which was in no way threatening him nor above or on his property.
There's no expectation of privacy in public, like it or not.
Never let facts get in the way of a good story, right?
Again, flight times and batteries, dude.
The whole story does. The drone owner had two. The windows in question were high on the wall of the master bedroom where you couldn't look in so they provided privacy and light. The drone owner had flows his toys around their house and been told not to but ignored them. The first time they knew he was snooping on their privacy was when they heard the drone outside the window. So they kept cameras on them. When he flew them up to the window, they took pictures. Then they called the cops. The cops came and looked at the photos and then confiscated the toys for evidence. The guy has been arrested for being a peeping tom.
If you have a drone and fly it around my house, I should be able to tell you to leave. If you don't your trespassing. Privacy trumps toys. If you walked up to a neighbors window and stared inside, I'm sure it would be seen very negatively by everyone. Very likely if you don't leave that it has results. A drone run by a peeper is the same.
Standing on my lawn, I don't have expectation of privacy. In my back yard with a solid fence I do. Nor do you mess around on my lawn or have your toy mess around.
The ha ha you can't stop me is going to lead to these toys being banned and controlled where those who follow decent rules won't bother, so the ha ha crowd is only hurting themselves in the end.
This state is one preparing laws limiting drones to higher flight only.
Standing on my lawn, I don't have expectation of privacy. In my back yard with a solid fence I do. Nor do you mess around on my lawn or have your toy mess around.
This state is one preparing laws limiting drones to higher flight only.
Two Supreme Court cases—California v. Ciraolo in 1986 and Florida v. Riley in 1989— allow law enforcement to use "public navigable airspace, in a physically nonintrusive manner" to gather evidence to make an arrest. The key here to those decisions is the term "public navigable airspace", the definition of which may or may not change with the introduction of the new technology. In any case, the SC set a precedent which is applicable and will enter into the public use argument. If you believe that privacy fence is a hard barrier in today's world, then by all means run around nekkid in your yard but don't be surprised when it shows up on YouTube and you have no legal recourse. If you're depending on decency in today's world, you're expecting way too much of people.
While I agree in principle with you that privacy should trump toys, the reality starting with the advent of hand held consumer video recorders and now integrated cell phone cameras means that privacy is ever more fleeting. And in a court as on the street, feelings mean nothing.
they have a battery life somewhere between 10 and 20 minutes or so, don't they? that's plenty of time to hover around someone's backyard and/or windows. there are videos of them flying everywhere, over rivers, lakes, and the beach. if they can do that, they can go up, over and around a house. obviously batteries will improve and drones will get even better, etc. etc.
people will and have used them for things other than just having fun or for other legitimate reasons; real estate, movies/commercials, wildlife purposes (i don't know, park rangers or something?). but there are weirdos out there who will try to peep in yards and windows. i don't know how anyone can try to deny that. so there needs to be laws put in place to hold these weirdos accountable if they break the law.
if you (anyone) were in your own private backyard and your neighbor got up on a ladder and starting filming you in your yard and into your windows there is nobody that is just going to sit back and allow that to happen without trying to make them stop. if they kept doing it, there would probably be either violence involved or the police. is it legal to do that? i suppose maybe it is, i don't know actually. but should they? of course not! it's called basic human decency. some people don't have that.
i don't agree with what the guy did in the OP case, knocking down the drone on the street like he did. he was probably irritated with how often they fly them around the area. if you check out the people that were flying it, they sell drones. they make instructional videos on how to fly them, they were not filming a random commercial.
there will be more and more restrictions put on drones in the future as more and more incidents and accidents and misuse happens. they (drones) are new so laws haven't been up to date on them yet, but they will. give it time.
No it's not, and if there are any minors in the house I as a parent would make damn sure that the perp would be hit with very serious charges ranging from stalking to attempted child pornography (if any video capturing device was involved and if my kids were home & taking shower or changing at the moment). This is no longer simply about privacy then. Even if it doesn't come to prosecution, I can guarantee you that he would never live this down. Any idiot using his $1,200 toy to snoop on people must realize that if the drone ever captures an image of a child in an inappropriate way, even inadvertently, or if the homeowner can prove that they flew the drone in a child stalking manner (not a legal definition but I think you know what I mean), they are in serious potential legal trouble in most if not all states.
That new toy will probably be that long anticipated, hover board that was originally envisioned for this year!!
Of course constructed of multiple, trashed quadcopters linked together under a longboard!!!
Nice!!.. Looked one up on Youtube, can you stay buoyant over water with one? At least the user has to put themselves at risk for dangerous, intrusive and annoying usage so I don't think they would pose the same problem as drones.
Have you seen the developing concept of the "Hoverbike"? Looks like fun, see video link below..
I suggest a "good" lawyer for any issues that may arise be more versed in languages, quotations and poetry over matters of law given the circumstances. Especially in determining whether or not actions where deliberate and/or malicious given intent. One might do well simply quoting the following...
"Never ascribe to malice that which can adequately be explained by incompetence."
No it's not, and if there are any minors in the house I as a parent would make damn sure that the perp would be hit with very serious charges ranging from stalking to attempted child pornography (if any video capturing device was involved and if my kids were home & taking shower or changing at the moment). This is no longer simply about privacy then. Even if it doesn't come to prosecution, I can guarantee you that he would never live this down. Any idiot using his $1,200 toy to snoop on people must realize that if the drone ever captures an image of a child in an inappropriate way, even inadvertently, or if the homeowner can prove that they flew the drone in a child stalking manner (not a legal definition but I think you know what I mean), they are in serious potential legal trouble in most if not all states.
And here's a good example of some critical thinking.
First off, for the record, with current battery technology for quad copters battery life is about 8 mins +/- depending on headwinds, how much auto correction the quad has to do etc.
I'm ABSOLUTELY with anyone on here who has an issue with someone hovering outside a window or low level hovering over someone's yard without permission.
Now that I've said that, hovering at a low level over someones yard/ right outside their window is a whole lot different than flying at 100+ feet over your house. Even repeatedly flying back and forth at height without hovering.
It's all about understanding, these consumer "toy" quad copters do NOT have the "spy" capability of lets say a hexacopter or an octocopter. The latter have the ability to carry a professional camera with remote zoom,focus etc. so as long as the quad is not directly outside a window or at roof top height hovering there's little to be concerned about except the noise can be annoying.
Here is what would concern me if it was just flying around my house: http://aerialmediapros.com/store/dji...package/dp/570 http://www.aerialmediapros.com/store...package/dp/562
As I said earlier, I bought my quad with the idea of using it to film real estate for realtors sales promotions and even belonged to a SAR (search and rescue) group but after hearing all these dumb,moronic,idiot fools doing their "thing" and the public/legal response I realized that it may be more hassle than it's worth. Thankfully I sold it for what I paid for it and am glad I did as I don't really need the added stress of constantly battling people who rush to judgement and want to destroy my $1300 tool.
Maybe after this is all sorted out I'll try it again...
This is like any other technology that is new and in use. There will have to be a happy medium sought between those that embrace it early on and those that find it intrusive.
Just like everyone has had to figure out how to use cell phones without getting on everyone's nerves and the generation that had to figure out how to intergrate the motor vehicle into horse drawn life.
We'll have to figure out how to navigate the issues but there's no going back.
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