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Old 10-22-2012, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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It wouldn't be an "upset." They are basically tied right now.
How are they "tied" when Obama is winning in the majority of swing states?

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Anyway, Nate Silver is partisan hack. He doesn't even break undecideds the way he says they will, he weights most of the polls more favorable to Obama higher than the polls more favorable to Romney, etc. Romney doesn't have a 70% chance of losing Ohio, but it is a big problem for him.
Riiight. So because you don't like the way his detailed model works, you think he's a partisan hack? It's funny that you guys don't complain when Nate Silver says that Rmoney has an 85 percent chance of winning NC or a 67 percent chance of winning FL (it's all), but when he says the Rmoney only has a 30 percent chance of winning Ohio, his model is biased.

 
Old 10-22-2012, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Yes, and I said you had a point there about the mail-in voting. But no state votes in isolation.



As far as registration, the Democrats are dropping according to the graph you posted. As far as your point about Romney having to lead by 8% to put Oregon in play, I even said Romney would have to win by 7-8 to win Oregon. Which I said I don't expect.
False, read the graph again, Democrats are growing but have registered less voters in 2009 and 2010. Republicans have actually been losing registered voters each year.
 
Old 10-22-2012, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Norman, OK
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I have never seen two so diametrically opposed polls.

Gallup: Romney +7
IBD: Obama +6

I think both could be considered 'outliers' at this point, though Gallup has been much more steady while IBD has fluctuated quite a bit over the last week.
 
Old 10-22-2012, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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I have never seen two so diametrically opposed polls.

Gallup: Romney +7
IBD: Obama +6

I think both could be considered 'outliers' at this point, though Gallup has been much more steady while IBD has fluctuated quite a bit over the last week.
I don't see how national polls could ever really be accurate. The sample sizes are so small.

Public Opinion Polls: How does Gallup Polling Work?
 
Old 10-22-2012, 09:13 AM
 
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Romney hits 50% in Colorado for the first time:

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Mitt Romney has now reached the 50% mark for the first time in Colorado and leads President Obama by four in the critical swing state.
The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Likely Colorado Voters finds Romney with 50% support to Obama’s 46%. Two percent (2%) like some other candidate, and one percent (1%) remains undecided. (To see survey question wording, click here.)
Election 2012: Colorado President - Rasmussen Reports™

If Romney holds onto his leads in CO, IA and NH, he doesn't even need Ohio. But I think Ohio will vote for Romney, as will Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.
 
Old 10-22-2012, 09:13 AM
 
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weve already talked about gallup. they use 7 day rolling averages which means you can never get any idea of where its going.


ive always maintained though that national polls are useless. give me ohio state polls right now. thats what gets my attention.

i dont care about florida.i dont care about north carolina. i dont care about virginia. i dont care about new hampshire.
 
Old 10-22-2012, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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False, read the graph again, Democrats are growing but have registered less voters in 2009 and 2010. Republicans have actually been losing registered voters each year.
If Democrats turned out in midterms the same way they turnout during presidential elections, we would have had a jobs bill by now.
 
Old 10-22-2012, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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If Romney holds onto his leads in CO, IA and NH, he doesn't even need Ohio. But I think Ohio will vote for Romney, as will Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.
LOL. The Philadelphia Eagles will win the Super Bowl this year, too! We all can dream, can't we?
 
Old 10-22-2012, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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If Democrats turned out in midterms the same way they turnout during presidential elections, we would have had a jobs bill by now.
Yeah, no kidding. All I can say is Oregon did it's part by not caving to the Republican party by getting out to vote, wish I could say the same about the rest of the country.
 
Old 10-22-2012, 09:18 AM
 
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Romney hits 50% in Colorado for the first time:



Election 2012: Colorado President - Rasmussen Reports™

If Romney holds onto his leads in CO, IA and NH, he doesn't even need Ohio. But I think Ohio will vote for Romney, as will Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.
romney is trailing in iowa.

PA is safe dem. Wisconsin is a toss up leaning which probably goes Obama.

Romney has no chance without Ohio. Simple as that.
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