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And, shoot, there could be an adorable newborn baby in the days leading up to the election!
People loooove cute babies. Also puppies.
But especially babies.
Anyway, I'm actually sort of sympathetic to concerns about women working in politics (SO intensive) and given that the woman just had a special-needs baby the age of MY littlest baby... I admit, it boggles my mind to think of her being willing to accept a VP run at such a critical time in her family's life.
Sigh.
Still, I like Palin, even though I cannot fathom making her life choices.
[quote=rb4browns;5087123]That's a joke right? You were actually sounding reasonabley thoughtful until the last line. How could you possibly even begin to have an inkling of what that girl knew or thought? The problem with 17 year olds and birth control is not that they don't know it exists, it's that they don't have the maturity and common sense to use it every time.[/QUOTE]
Now who is joking? I never said anything about her not knowing birth control existed. I said, she probably didn't feel that discussing the use of birth control was an option for her since her parents support abstinence only. It's not easy getting birth control in some states (I believe Alaska is one) without the consent of your parents. What you're suggesting is that her parents were all for birth control and even provided it for her but she didnt' have the common sense to follow the directions (now who is insulting Bristol?). That's a big leap considering Palin does not support sex education or the expanded use of birth control. I've posted the source for this so many times, I refuse to keep doing it. I'm sure you saw them in some of the other threads.
Anyway, I think liberals (I used to be one, m'self!) don't really realize what abstinence ed is fundamentally about.
It's not about the pragmatic way to the fewest spermies hooking up with the leastest eggies; the Dutch have THAT down, far as I know.
Right-wingers in general aren't allergic to human reproduction. We loves us some babies.
What it is about is teaching a certain set of values and reverence for the roles of men and women within the family and the larger society, and fostering a sense of spirituality around sex.
The more "progressive" approach is to boil it all down to a medical, physical issue and strip away the spirituality of it all as if it were irrelevant.
And that seems sad to me, really... putting condoms on bananas just sucks the heart and soul and innocence out of young love.
I don't really want my kids to learn about sex that way, either. I hope that there is a sense of mystery and awe about it for them, as there was for me.
It's not easy getting birth control in some states (I believe Alaska is one) without the consent of your parents.
Nah, every clinic I went to in AK had a big sign that said minors do not need consent from their parents to obtain birth control or counselling about reproductive health.
Do you have a better phrase for it? That's what having promiscous sex basically amounts to.
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Are you mixed up? Do you think Republicans are the ones championing social programs?
No, but do you see any Republicans making efforts to rid the taxpayers of this enormous burden known as public education? Do you see them reducing federal spending in Washington, DC??? Have they actually reduced the size of the federal government like many of them talk about in their campaign speeches??? The fact is that the Bush administration has increased the size of the federal government more than any other administration since FDR's.
Republicans used to champion the fiscal responsibility that I advocate. This was in the days when true conservatives such as Barry Goldwater were the voices for the party. However, this is not the case anymore. Anymore, Republicans are just as bad as Democrats because both major parties are basically platforms for more socialism.
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WAcky wacky rant you made...Guess you'll have to move to some island somewhere if you are against public schools and any social programs. I dont think there is a candidate in any country for you.
Yes there is! I often vote for the LIBERTARIAN candidates because they are the only ones that will abolish all these ridiculous subsidized programs. The only candidates who are truly fiscally prudent, and adhere to the Constitution are the Libertarians. As ironic as it sounds, I'm planning on voting for McCain because of his experience, and he has an independent streak about him that I like. I just don't think his VP choice was the best he could come up with.
How I wish our children always did what we taught, advocated, provided examples of, wanted them to do. Sometimes children do, and sometimes they don't. I've known children who make wrong decisions from families who are Republicans, Democrats, Independents, who have been raised by parents who are great, and history is full of examples. I've known children who make perfect decisions from parents who have been terrible examples as parents. I've known teachers' children who have failed school, preachers children who are the worst kids in the neighborhood, police officers' children who manage to get themselves into more trouble than the convicted felon's children.
I don't know how this will play out--maybe Palin will have to be replaced, but to say Palin's hypocritical because her child acted contrary to her beliefs is just not right.
And that seems sad to me, really... putting condoms on bananas just sucks the heart and soul and innocence out of young love.
I would normally agree, but how do you teach a teenager to use a condom? Or do you propose that using them at such a tender age takes away from that sweet "young love"?
I think the condoms on bananas is just a result of what we've become. It might have been ok for people to get preggers at 17 at some point long ago, but today's world doesn't readily allow for Little House on the Prairie. It's the cost of progress, like it or not.
Sarah Palin was too busy with her own agenda to watch what her daugher was doing. She never had the good old birth control talk, or better yet the abstinence speech. Typical Repugnant ways. Disgusting.
Yes, it's terrible. She's not the kind of good parent who controls every moment of his/her child's life, the kind of good parent who never lets his/her children learn to make their own decisions, and mistakes, or the kind of good parent whose daughter would never, ever possibly get pregnant because Mom (or Dad) had that little talk with her. What a terrible mother!
Anyway, I think liberals (I used to be one, m'self!) don't really realize what abstinence ed is fundamentally about.
It's not about the pragmatic way to the fewest spermies hooking up with the leastest eggies; the Dutch have THAT down, far as I know.
Right-wingers in general aren't allergic to human reproduction. We loves us some babies.
What it is about is teaching a certain set of values and reverence for the roles of men and women within the family and the larger society, and fostering a sense of spirituality around sex.
The more "progressive" approach is to boil it all down to a medical, physical issue and strip away the spirituality of it all as if it were irrelevant.
And that seems sad to me, really... putting condoms on bananas just sucks the heart and soul and innocence out of young love.
I don't really want my kids to learn about sex that way, either.
Sorry, but I don't think teenagers are thinking "spirituality" when they get horny which is about 23 1/2 hours a day.
Teaching them to use a condom has to do with the REAL world.
Yes there is! I often vote for the LIBERTARIAN candidates because they are the only ones that will abolish all these ridiculous subsidized programs.
Would you be so kind to provide a link to the libertarian platform showing that the Libertarian Party would abolish the Public School System in the US?
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Also puppies. 
I hope that there is a sense of mystery and awe about it for them, as there was for me.
