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By this criteria you are using (The South as opposed to southern tier/sunbelt), I would add Oklahoma to South West though.
On the proverbial related tangent, I always preferred "Western South" over Southwest, simply because the latter term can be too easily confused with New Mexico and Arizona. The South West you are defining is, correctly, the "Old Southwest" to be sure. But nowadays, because AZ and NM are both considered Southwestern, many folks make the assumption (IMHO, of course) of thinking of the two as one coherent historical/cultural region. When as it is, there are broad differences.
Hope that makes sense! LOL
Definitely OK added to the Western South, which by the way sounds better than South West.
I didn't read through this entire long thread so I don't know if it was mentioned, but Houston isn't part of the Deep South. It just really, really isn't. I grew up in the heart of East Texas, which can arguably be considered Deep South much more so than Houston, and moved to Southeast Texas later. Houston does have some Southern attributes and heritage, but it is not in the Deep South and I don't know any Houstonians who think it is. Culturally, East Texas and Southeast Texas--of which Houston IS a part-- share some similarities, but are overall different. Houston has long had too much outside influence-- including from transplanted Yankees, the Gulf Coast, Louisiana, Mexico, and Texas in general-- to be considered Deep South. And this isn't a recent phenomenon, but the whole story of its history, not just the parts people who claim it is Deep South are picking out and choosing. Houston Institute for Culture
so then the same is true for atlanta, right?
and i don't understand the comment about history, since everything about houston's history from the civil war to the 20th century says deep south.
Houston has long had too much outside influence-- including from transplanted Yankees, the Gulf Coast, Louisiana, Mexico, and Texas in general-- to be considered Deep South. Houston Institute for Culture
I this this whole thing is subjective and a wasted argument. Texas is different from the rest of the south because of how geographically, culturally, and historically diverse the state is.
People are taught differently all over Texas. The majority of my teachers referred to Texas as the southwest. Maybe people in East Texas were taught it was the south. However, not everyone was taught the same.
I this this whole thing is subjective and a wasted argument. Texas is different from the rest of the south because of how geographically, culturally, and historically diverse the state is.
People are taught differently all over Texas. The majority of my teachers referred to Texas as the southwest. Maybe people in East Texas were taught it was the south. However, not everyone was taught the same.
BUT, i bet that if you were to go back and ask a majority of those teachers which region a MAJORITY of texas is like: the south or the southwest, i guarantee you'd they'd say the south. how anyone could think that texas has more in common with arizona or new mexico than louisiana and arkansas is beyond me
it's not really subjective, but more like people not having all the information
and i asked it before, and i'll ask it again: who says that texas HAS to be included in only one region? why can't part of it be in the south and the other part in the southwest (even though even west texas is more southern than NM). this state is too huge for people to try and put the entire area in one region
BUT, i bet that if you were to go back and ask a majority of those teachers which region a MAJORITY of texas is like: the south or the southwest, i guarantee you'd they'd say the south. how anyone could think that texas has more in common with arizona or new mexico than louisiana and arkansas is beyond me
it's not really subjective, but more like people not having all the information
and i asked it before, and i'll ask it again: who says that texas HAS to be included in only one region? why can't part of it be in the south and the other part in the southwest (even though even west texas is more southern than NM). this state is too huge for people to try and put the entire area in one region
I never said Texas was part of the southwest; it was what my teachers said. It's very much subjective because the far western parts have completely different history from the rest of the south. No one in El Paso, Corpus Christi, Brownsville, etc are calling themselves southerners. This is just you speaking for others. Your just speaking from what you know, but Texas history is much more complex than the rest of the south.
I prefer to say Texas is Texas or South Central. To a lesser extent, Western South.
I never said Texas was part of the southwest; it was what my teachers said. It's very much subjective because the far western parts have completely different history from the rest of the south. No one in El Paso, Corpus Christi, Brownsville, etc are calling themselves southerners. This is just you speaking for others. Your just speaking from what you know, but Texas history is much more complex than the rest of the south.
I prefer to say Texas is Texas or South Central. To a lesser extent, Western South.
so many contradicting statements. and you've met everyone in el paso and corpus christi? i'm sure there are people over there who consider themselves as some part of the south
the problem is, you, like other posters keep lumping texas as a whole. just because it's one state doesn't mean it's one region. it's in more than one region. what's so difficult about that?
that's why i've kind of always disagreed with the whole "texas is texas" thing. because then you have to go into defining what "texas" is, and i guarantee that it doesn't apply to every area of the state. so in many ways, "texas is texas" is not really that accurate of a statement
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