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Old 05-27-2011, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Appalachian New York, Formerly Louisiana
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WOW.

She is REALLY dumb.
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Old 05-27-2011, 07:27 PM
 
Location: 304
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WOW.

She is REALLY dumb.
did you see the look on the guy with the mike's face

That is not good for SC
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Old 11-18-2016, 05:46 PM
 
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You cannot help but notice this when you look at the map. In hindsight when you look at confederate war stratagies during the civil war it may have made more sense to concentrate confederate power in Kentucky and invade Ohio instead of wasting thier time on the invasion of Pennsylvania. Obviously enought forces would have had to be left in the east to defend Virginia, but had Lee and a large part of his force been sent west they could have made it deep into Ohio. The ultimate nightmare for the north would have been a large confederate army reaching the shores of Lake erie severing the north in two. This would have seperated the powerful northeast from the midwestern food producing states of Ind, Ill, Mi, Wi, Ia and Mn. The north would have been forced to negotiate for peace, or at the very least midwest states may have made a seperate peace with the confederacy. The end result would have been the same, confederate victory.
Yep, that was, in fact, basically the strategy the North used to go a long way toward winning the war. Drive up and down the Mississippi, seize it and split the Confederacy west of the river from the eastern Confederacy.
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Old 11-18-2016, 06:44 PM
 
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Really if it's above 39 N it probably isn't southern. Canada just has part of what would be the Midwest.
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Old 11-18-2016, 07:17 PM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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You cannot help but notice this when you look at the map. In hindsight when you look at confederate war stratagies during the civil war it may have made more sense to concentrate confederate power in Kentucky and invade Ohio instead of wasting thier time on the invasion of Pennsylvania. Obviously enought forces would have had to be left in the east to defend Virginia, but had Lee and a large part of his force been sent west they could have made it deep into Ohio. The ultimate nightmare for the north would have been a large confederate army reaching the shores of Lake erie severing the north in two. This would have seperated the powerful northeast from the midwestern food producing states of Ind, Ill, Mi, Wi, Ia and Mn. The north would have been forced to negotiate for peace, or at the very least midwest states may have made a seperate peace with the confederacy. The end result would have been the same, confederate victory.
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Yep, that was, in fact, basically the strategy the North used to go a long way toward winning the war. Drive up and down the Mississippi, seize it and split the Confederacy west of the river from the eastern Confederacy.
Daniel makes a good point about strategy and invading Ohio. In fact the Confederates did send a major army up into northern Kentucky (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confed...land_Offensive ) and there were several raids into Ohio (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgan%27s_Raid ). But the railroad/supply situation in Kentucky was not as good as in Virginia and it was harder for the Confederates to supply an army in Kentucky & Ohio then it was in Virginia.

I also seem to remember that Lee did not want to go to the West (the Army of Tennessee). Instead if Jefferson Davis had sent the aggressive Stonewall Jackson (before he died) or even the competent James Longstreet to replace Bragg, the South would have done much better in the west.

Very true Robert.
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Old 11-18-2016, 07:22 PM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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Btw, speaking of the Civil War, until West Virginia was created the North was only one state wide not just in Ohio but in Pennsylvania as well. It is hard to believe it today but for a long time Virginia used to border the Ohio River and the states of Ohio and Pennsylvania.
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Old 11-18-2016, 07:49 PM
 
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Btw, speaking of the Civil War, until West Virginia was created the North was only one state wide not just in Ohio but in Pennsylvania as well. It is hard to believe it today but for a long time Virginia used to border the Ohio River and the states of Ohio and Pennsylvania.
Yes, I lived in Gallipolis, Ohio, a river town on the West Virginia border. I am a history who enjoyed reading old local newspaper articles at the library. It seemed strange to me when I read pre-Civil War newspaper articles that referred to the opposite side of the river from Gallipolis as "Virginia".
And, until it broke away in 1792, Kentucky was a part of Virginia as well.
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Old 11-19-2016, 08:51 AM
 
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Btw, speaking of the Civil War, until West Virginia was created the North was only one state wide not just in Ohio but in Pennsylvania as well. It is hard to believe it today but for a long time Virginia used to border the Ohio River and the states of Ohio and Pennsylvania.

Even now, there is a part of northern Virginia that is only about 15 miles south of PA, in the central region where Maryland is very thin. You can actually drive in 4 different states in only about 15 miles going North-South or South-North.
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Old 11-19-2016, 09:11 AM
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Location: Ontario
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Really if it's above 39 N it probably isn't southern. Canada just has part of what would be the Midwest.
Interesting.

Southernmost in Canada is Middle Island,
which is in the middle of Lake Erie at 41' 40" North,
farther south than the Oregon-California state line.
Farther south than Rome, Italy.

Western US-Canada border is much farther north at 49N.
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Old 11-19-2016, 09:48 PM
 
Location: IN
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Yes, I lived in Gallipolis, Ohio, a river town on the West Virginia border. I am a history who enjoyed reading old local newspaper articles at the library. It seemed strange to me when I read pre-Civil War newspaper articles that referred to the opposite side of the river from Gallipolis as "Virginia".
And, until it broke away in 1792, Kentucky was a part of Virginia as well.
Is Gallipolis still in the twilight zone in terms of economic development? That area never recovered from economic declines of long ago, and I'm surprised the population is still so high in that area.
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