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First did he actually break in? B&E. Or did he just enter through a unlocked door or window.
Second did he actually threaten the person who shot him.
How big and strong was the crook, I mean he was unarmed with no weapon. If homeowner was 7 feet tall and 300 pounds and crook was five feet tall and 100 pounds it would make a difference.
Did the crook actually have time to be a crook? Meaning if he is just in your house and walked into living room he is just trespassing. So shooting a person is over board.
Did owner call 911 preshooting? Meaning if I was in the bedroom, could I have locked door and just called 911.
And finally, shoot to kill and unarmed person is pretty severe. Could you have shot him in leg or shoulder and run off.
my granddad used to have a sign on his gate that read : If the evil big dogs don't get ya first , then the cast iron skillet will " But my grand dad had 6 huge evil dogs and he also owned a slew of shot guns and he used to say if they break in here oh well they just broke into the wrong house end of story . In my opinion no this man was defending what was his and he had worked for . People don't deserve anything that they did not work for .
actually, it doesn't matter if its day time or night time..
And, as much as I agree its a bad trade off to kill someone who might be in your house to steal a tv to sell for money for food/drugs/booze/rent/whatever, being able to protect one's domain from unauthorized entry is one of the basic tenets we all must respect in an organized society.
Sure, I'd feel bad if I killed a teenage who broke into my house to steal a tv for any reason, but, when you break in to my house, you surrender all rights and respect that I might otherwise have for you, and in the heat of the moment, I am not going to ask you if your intentions are petty theft, of if you want to kill me.
Downside is my stupid grown friend was in his Parents house alone and someone "broke" into "his" house in middle of night. He came downstairs with a fully loaded shotgun in the dark and almost shot the crook the guy was on his knees begging for his life and crying.
So stupid grown friend back up hits the light switch and finds out it is neighbors nephew. His Mom on way out told neighbor who was having people staying over if they run out of firewood they she could take some. So he sent the nephew over who thought no one was home.
So this is a large house btw my stupid friend is trying to tell his Mom he did the right thing and why was she mad. She was like so you are upstairs in your pajamas in a bedroom with a lock and a phone. Instead of quietly locking door and calling 911 you come down barefoot in pajamas with a loaded shot gun. That is crazy.
He than goes what if it was a real thief. Mom starts yelling so what it is firewood. You were going to fire a double barreled shot gun and blow a mans head off over a piece of wood?
A few weeks later when he was drunk man oh man did he go on about that. He always wonder what his life would be like if he pulled the trigger. The Nephew was like 17 he was like 29 at time.
First did he actually break in? B&E. Or did he just enter through a unlocked door or window.
Second did he actually threaten the person who shot him.
How big and strong was the crook, I mean he was unarmed with no weapon. If homeowner was 7 feet tall and 300 pounds and crook was five feet tall and 100 pounds it would make a difference.
Did the crook actually have time to be a crook? Meaning if he is just in your house and walked into living room he is just trespassing. So shooting a person is over board.
Did owner call 911 preshooting? Meaning if I was in the bedroom, could I have locked door and just called 911.
And finally, shoot to kill and unarmed person is pretty severe. Could you have shot him in leg or shoulder and run off.
Let me guess, you're a liberal.....
Who cares if they "broke in". They weren't invited, so they have no right to be there. And what innocent person comes through an unlocked window? Just coming over for a spot of tea?
Just being in my house is a threat, if I didn't ask you in. It means you forced your way in.
So you expect that the larger homeowner should grapple with the burglar? Because nothing could go wrong with that scenario.
If he is walking in to my living room UNINVITED, he's up to no good. People don't just wander into other people's houses.
Well, calling 911 is a good idea. That way, there will be officers there to notify your family of your untimely demise.
If you're going to shoot, shoot to kill. Thinking you can hit an extremity with any accuracy shows me you watch too many movies.
Those who respect the property rights of others do not engage in trespass, burglary, etc.
Of course, if you live in a socialist paradise where no one owns anything, without permission of "Big Brother," well that's a different situation. It is against public policy for slaves to shoot other slaves.
First did he actually break in? B&E. Or did he just enter through a unlocked door or window.
Second did he actually threaten the person who shot him.
How big and strong was the crook, I mean he was unarmed with no weapon. If homeowner was 7 feet tall and 300 pounds and crook was five feet tall and 100 pounds it would make a difference.
Did the crook actually have time to be a crook? Meaning if he is just in your house and walked into living room he is just trespassing. So shooting a person is over board.
Did owner call 911 preshooting? Meaning if I was in the bedroom, could I have locked door and just called 911.
And finally, shoot to kill and unarmed person is pretty severe. Could you have shot him in leg or shoulder and run off.
The legal definition of B&E is: "entering a residence or other enclosed property through the slightest amount of force (even pushing open a door), without authorization. If there is intent to commit a crime, this is burglary." So whether he entered through an unlocked means or broke down the door is irrelevant.
Whether or not he threatened the person verbally is irrelevant. He broke into the home, which can be construed by most as an automatic threat since there was no request to enter the home nor authorization to enter into someone else's property.
Size makes NO difference. A 5'2" 100 lb man with a knife or some other weapon can easily incapacitate a 6'4" 250 lb man with one blow. Same is said for someone who knows any type of martial arts. The goal is to keep them away from you, not to draw them in.
"Just trespassing" is still presenting a threat to the homeowner and they have every right to defend their property. No one is going to take the time to interrogate the person to find out what their intentions are. If you broke in, your intentions are to do something else illegal.
Calling 911 in advance isn't always possible.
If you're in a situation which severely stresses you, you are going to take whatever measures necessary to defend yourself. Most homeowners are average people and have not gone through military or police training to learn to control breathing, stay calm, and find your target. They're going into defensive mode with the only intent to neutralize the threat before it can harm them.
Moral of the story.... if you don't want to get shot, don't enter into someone's residence without authorization.
I only read the first 5 pages.
I like how Penny says she's "in the minority".... um, unless something changed, you are the ONLY one saying that.
"people are rep'ping my post but they must be afraid to post and back me up"... This is the anonymous internet: no is afraid to post.
Count me in the gun neutral club, leaning slightly toward anti-gun and I'd shoot a man breaking into my house.
A few weeks ago a man walked into a bar in my neighborhood. Held up the place. Woman went along agreeably. Then he decides he is going to drag her downstairs to rape her.
Many times it starts out as a robbery and turns into something much worse. You can't afford to take chances.
Size makes NO difference. A 5'2" 100 lb man with a knife or some other weapon can easily incapacitate a 6'4" 250 lb man with one blow. Same is said for someone who knows any type of martial arts. The goal is to keep them away from you, not to draw them in.
That reminds me of a story DH is fond of telling. DH was an All American swimmer (butterfly was his specialty). Some of his classmates got a kick out of getting him to wrestle a much smaller classmate, who quickly turned DH into a "pretzel" pinned to the mat.
I think it would be unsafe to assume you could overcome any intruder.
First did he actually break in? B&E. Or did he just enter through a unlocked door or window.
And if I forget to lock my door that should somehow make a difference? Because the victim forgets to lock something and it's now the responsibility of the victim for the criminal actions of someone else?
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Second did he actually threaten the person who shot him.
His mere presence in the home is a threat* and frankly if you are not going to consider someone that has broken into you home a threat that's not very in your home a threat that's not very smart.
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How big and strong was the crook, I mean he was unarmed with no weapon. If homeowner was 7 feet tall and 300 pounds and crook was five feet tall and 100 pounds it would make a difference.
Are you going to ask him if he's armed? Are you going to wait until he starts shooting to find out? FYI my 12 year niece has been taking karate lessons since she was about 5. While her chances of beating up large man are pretty slim don't be surprised if you find yourself asking "what the hell just happened". Judging how lethal someone can be by their size is just foolish. There is four things that are important if you are in physical altercation; intelligence, mental state, training and physical strength. Physical strength is the least important and in that case endurance is more important than how much weight you can lift.
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Did the crook actually have time to be a crook?
*See above.
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Did owner call 911 preshooting? Meaning if I was in the bedroom, could I have locked door and just called 911.
While this is not bad advice it's completely circumstantial. That said the actions a homeowner takes when someone has illegally entered there home should never be second guessed by LE. They are the victim and should not be victimized again by law enforcement.
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And finally, shoot to kill and unarmed person is pretty severe. Could you have shot him in leg or shoulder and run off.
Do yourself and all of us a favor,never buy a gun.
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