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The thing is that your police can't search a suspected citizen under the ‘false’ suspicion of being a convicted criminal carrying a gun (if he's not the convicted felon he'll most like sue the police if they did), while the Dutch police can stop any civilian when we suspect that he is carrying a gun without checking if he is a criminal or not.
We believe in freedom from unreasonable searches by police - FREEDOM. A law enforcement officer has to have "probable cause" to initiate a search or, obtain a warrant from a court.
Originally Posted by Greatday The thing is that your police can't search a suspected citizen under the ‘false’ suspicion of being a convicted criminal carrying a gun (if he's not the convicted felon he'll most like sue the police if they did), while the Dutch police can stop any civilian when we suspect that he is carrying a gun without checking if he is a criminal or not.
Some free country.
They can just stop & search for no reason eh? Free my arse.
A law enforcement officer has to have "probable cause" to initiate a search or, obtain a warrant from a court.
Unless you're police or military carrying a gun already is probable cause in The Netherlands. So if the suspect isn't military or police he can only be a criminal, which makes spotting criminals real easy.
Originally Posted by Tin Knocker
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They can just stop & search for no reason eh? Free my arse.
LoL, freedom doesn't mean that there aren't any laws.
Even Americans aren't so free that they can do anything they want, especially with the Patriot Act.
Originally Posted by gbear48
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"... Dutch police can stop any civilian when we suspect..."
they're carrying a gun. You Americans gun fetishists don't finish my quote cause you can't use the facts?
Originally Posted by GreatdayUnless you're police or military carrying a gun already is probable cause in The Netherlands. So if the suspect isn't military or police he can only be a criminal, which makes spotting criminals real easy.
Originally Posted by Tin Knocker LoL, freedom doesn't mean that there aren't any laws.
Even Americans aren't so free that they can do anything they want, especially with the Patriot Act.
Originally Posted by gbear48they're carrying a gun. You Americans gun fetishists don't finish my quote cause you can't use the facts?
It is extremely easy to conceal a gun. My fathers 9mm is small enough he can even wear tight clothing and you would never know he had it on its person. Spotting a criminal is not as easy as you would make it to be.
It is extremely easy to conceal a gun. My fathers 9mm is small enough he can even wear tight clothing and you would never know he had it on its person.
I guess this is another reason why guns shouldn't be easily available to just everybody. I mean who, besides criminals and terrorists, requires easily concealable guns?
What about those guns (and ammo) that won't show up on a metal detector?
Last edited by Tricky D; 12-20-2008 at 02:47 AM..
Reason: typo
A woman carrying a firearm for self protection. My wife carries a small handgun in her purse.
And I thought that displaying your gun in the open would keep the criminal element in check.
Originally Posted by gbear48
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Can you tell us more about this problem.
I would assume that those guns would be great for smuggling them into areas like schools who have metal detectors to keep guns out. Don't you gun fetishists feel naked and exposed without a gun?
And I thought that displaying your gun in the open would keep the criminal element in check.
Once again, your "thinking" is wrong. There is no reason to carry in the open if you can carry concealed. Plus, in the case of my wife, wearing a holster on top of a $2,000 dress, at a cocktail party, would diminish the fashion she is wearing
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The thing is that your police can't search a suspected citizen under the ‘false’ suspicion of being a convicted criminal carrying a gun (if he's not the convicted felon he'll most like sue the police if they did), while the Dutch police can stop any civilian when we suspect that he is carrying a gun without checking if he is a criminal or not.
Free my arse.
So if the suspect isn't military or police he can only be a criminal, which makes spotting criminals real easy.
You Americans gun fetishists don't finish my quote cause you can't use the facts?
I mean who, besides criminals and terrorists, requires easily concealable guns?
