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Old 09-05-2014, 08:01 PM
 
Location: Volcano
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I wonder why the paradise tax doesn't apply to the trades

There is no reason I can think of. I really think it's cultural. The article refers to unions but I don't know anybody in the trades who is in a union.
Your personal circle of acquaintance may not be representative of the big picture. In any case, union wages typically set the pay scale for an area, and it affects non-union wages too. Union pays X, Non-union pays X - n.
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Old 09-05-2014, 08:34 PM
 
Location: Kahala
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I wonder why the paradise tax doesn't apply to the trades

There is no reason I can think of. I really think it's cultural. The article refers to unions but I don't know anybody in the trades who is in a union.
One thing you need to realize is Hawaii doesn't exactly have a huge demand for STEM jobs - many are filled by the Federal government and they have their own pay scales - tourism and the military are the bread and butter of the state - hospitality workers, construction, shipyard workers - scientists, software developers, etc - not so much.
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Old 09-09-2014, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Maui County, HI
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One thing you need to realize is Hawaii doesn't exactly have a huge demand for STEM jobs - many are filled by the Federal government and they have their own pay scales - tourism and the military are the bread and butter of the state - hospitality workers, construction, shipyard workers - scientists, software developers, etc - not so much.
There are few jobs for doctors too, yet they make a ton of money. I don't think it's a case of supply outweighing demand. Almost all tech jobs are held by transplants, so obviously they have to bring people in.

What's stopping the trades from hiring people from the mainland for $15/hr like tech companies do?
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Old 09-09-2014, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Kahala
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There are few jobs for doctors too, yet they make a ton of money.
Hawaii in general has a severe doctor shortage - and, they don't make nearly as much money as mainland counterparts in similar urban settings.
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Old 09-09-2014, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Maui County, HI
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Hawaii in general has a severe doctor shortage - and, they don't make nearly as much money as mainland counterparts in similar urban settings.
If there's a shortage why don't they pay them more?
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Old 09-09-2014, 07:08 PM
 
Location: Kahala
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If there's a shortage why don't they pay them more?
Perhaps you should lobby your insurance company......
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Old 09-09-2014, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Maui County, HI
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Perhaps you should lobby your insurance company......
I think you're missing my point.

The free market isn't what is responsible for low tech wages or low doctor salaries. If that were the case, salaries would go up to attract an adequate number of doctors.
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Old 09-09-2014, 07:28 PM
 
Location: London
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Probably the desirability of living there is considered an intrinsic benefit. But then that makes the cost of living higher, so...
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Old 09-09-2014, 07:49 PM
 
Location: Kahala
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The free market isn't what is responsible for low tech wages or low doctor salaries. If that were the case, salaries would go up to attract an adequate number of doctors.
I don't agree - my take is the free market does not value doctors or tech workers high enough in order to pay them higher wages. Not until business reaches a breaking point or regulators force insurance companies to raise reimbursements will salaries increase. While we have doctor shortage - it isn't such a shortage that it is so chronic to have to raise their compensation.
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Old 09-09-2014, 07:51 PM
 
Location: Maui County, HI
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Probably the desirability of living there is considered an intrinsic benefit. But then that makes the cost of living higher, so...
Yes that's true-- Now why doesn't that apply equally to all types of jobs?
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