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Curious, why do you support an immigration reform aka amnesty now?
Because I think avoiding socialism is far more important. Hispanics are good hard working people once we get this issue aside I think we will make inroads with them.
They're here we aren't going to deport them so let's get on with it. Maybe the GOP can get the Immigration Law of 1965 repealed in exchange. Sell it as population control libs will like it.
Because I think avoiding socialism is far more important. Hispanics are good hard working people once we get this issue aside I think we will make inroads with them.
They're here we aren't going to deport them so let's get on with it. Maybe the GOP can get the Immigration Law of 1965 repealed in exchange. Sell it as population control libs will like it.
LOL...i'm not understanding you. I mean, despite our arguments and disagreements, i know enough to know that you're not an idiot. You're educated, and at least reasonably smart.
So please tell me, how in the hell did you JUST NOW realize that your last paragraph is the only position that you should've had in the first place? I mean, you didn't know that we were never gonna deport the illegals? Of course you knew that.
So why would someone as smart as yourself be a hardhead just for the sake of it when you knew that it was fruitless? Even if Romney had won, your last paragraph was STILL the only viable position to have.
Because I think avoiding socialism is far more important. Hispanics are good hard working people once we get this issue aside I think we will make inroads with them.
They're here we aren't going to deport them so let's get on with it. Maybe the GOP can get the Immigration Law of 1965 repealed in exchange. Sell it as population control libs will like it.
What makes you think that Latinos would support the GOP? Every single analysis I've read indicates that their voting patterns are liberal. Didn't California used to be a fairly conservative state? They might have some conservative leanings on social issues, but like a lot of people do not vote on social issues, but on economic ones. And they seem to feel that their economic interests lies with social programs offered by Democrats.
After all, the first mass amnesty was pushed through by Reagan. Did that result in a massive shift towards the GOP by Latinos? Again, every single poll and analysis I have read indicates that Latinos are economically liberal, excepting perhaps the Cubans in Florida and even that is changing with the younger generations. Being hard-working has nothing to do with it. My family was hard-working, but always voted Democrat because they perceived it to be the party which favored the working class, of which they were a part. After 100 years since first immigrating, my generation (in my family) is the first to break with that ideology. They were church-going, hard working people, yet voted Democrat. Why would hard-working Latinos be any different? I'm just asking.
There really is no previous research to indicate that Latinos have a propensity to vote conservative in any numbers. Either way the Republican Party is in trouble. Allow amnesty and there will be 10s of millions of new Democrats added to the voter rolls--undocumented Democrats, really. Truly, do you really believe that Progressives would be so hot to make citizens of illegals if they believed that these were going to become Republican voters? Seriously? If they thought that, that border would slam shut and those people would be deported so darned fast your head would spin. Oppose amnesty, and alienate Latinos who seem to be more concerned with their "tribe" than what is best for the U.S. and its citizens as a whole. But you are right on this: as long as the white vote is split down the middle, the numbers just don't break for the Republicans. Just my analysis.
Young people can be goofy. So many of my friends just don't have a grasp of politics. They should be concerned as all of this is going to affect their futures dramatically. But they are more interested in daily drama in a lot of cases. I'm not sure if it is just my batch of younger Americans, or if it's always been like this. I have no point of reference for how older people were when they were teenagers or 20-somethings. I do know that a lot of people I knew liked Ron Paul. But Obama comes off as "cool" and a lot of younger people are kind of superficial that way (in my experience). They really don't have much in-depth understanding of issues. Again, not all but many.
LOL...i'm not understanding you. I mean, despite our arguments and disagreements, i know enough to know that you're not an idiot. You're educated, and at least reasonably smart.
So please tell me, how in the hell did you JUST NOW realize that your last paragraph is the only position that you should've had in the first place? I mean, you didn't know that we were never gonna deport the illegals? Of course you knew that.
So why would someone as smart as yourself be a hardhead just for the sake of it when you knew that it was fruitless? Even if Romney had won, your last paragraph was STILL the only viable position to have.
Well I think I've stated why I'm against illegal immigration and prefer deportation. They are distorting the economic and political fabric of this country. Still I'm smart enough to know when I'm beat and the threat of permanent Leftist coalition is too great a risk to bear. I think Hispanics can be won over enough to make conservatism competitive nationally.
You're underestimating the fact that Obama has to lay the groundwork for a Democratic successor should one emerge that can win the White House.
Democrats face a major problem there. I mean who on earth does Obama hand the torch to in 2016? Its not like there is anyone close in the Democratic party that can match Obama's charisma and political skills. Hillary most likely will not run but even if she does she will be looked upon by many as someone who's time has already passed. Julian Castro is not even ready to be a VP on a ticket in 2016 let alone run for the presidency outright.
I just don't see anyone on the horizon for the Dems in 2016.
Because I think avoiding socialism is far more important. Hispanics are good hard working people once we get this issue aside I think we will make inroads with them.
They're here we aren't going to deport them so let's get on with it. Maybe the GOP can get the Immigration Law of 1965 repealed in exchange. Sell it as population control libs will like it.
Even though immigration is their number one issue they also adhere to the Democrats socialistic views. So amnesty alone won't do it. Did we learn nothing from the 1986 amnesty?
They are not a monolithic group of hard workers any more than any other group in this country. That has nothing to do with our right to enforce our immigration laws anyway. What needs to be done is to remove all incentives for illegal immigrants to stay here or continue to come here. Those particular things have been pointed out in here before. These illegal immigrants if granted amnesty will directly compete in this country for the scarce jobs and resources that there are that Americans need and have a right to. They already do.
You might find this poll/article written by a Hispanic interesting and revealing.
Well I think I've stated why I'm against illegal immigration and prefer deportation. They are distorting the economic and political fabric of this country. Still I'm smart enough to know when I'm beat and the threat of permanent Leftist coalition is too great a risk to bear. I think Hispanics can be won over enough to make conservatism competitive nationally.
Please do not admit defeat to anarchy and ethnocentricism in this country, I beg of you!
We are not beat! The minute we admit defeat we have lost our country to them.
Well I think I've stated why I'm against illegal immigration and prefer deportation. They are distorting the economic and political fabric of this country. Still I'm smart enough to know when I'm beat and the threat of permanent Leftist coalition is too great a risk to bear. I think Hispanics can be won over enough to make conservatism competitive nationally.
What makes you think that Latinos would support the GOP? Every single analysis I've read indicates that their voting patterns are liberal. Didn't California used to be a fairly conservative state? They might have some conservative leanings on social issues, but like a lot of people do not vote on social issues, but on economic ones. And they seem to feel that their economic interests lies with social programs offered by Democrats.
After all, the first mass amnesty was pushed through by Reagan. Did that result in a massive shift towards the GOP by Latinos? Again, every single poll and analysis I have read indicates that Latinos are economically liberal, excepting perhaps the Cubans in Florida and even that is changing with the younger generations. Being hard-working has nothing to do with it. My family was hard-working, but always voted Democrat because they perceived it to be the party which favored the working class, of which they were a part. After 100 years since first immigrating, my generation (in my family) is the first to break with that ideology. They were church-going, hard working people, yet voted Democrat. Why would hard-working Latinos be any different? I'm just asking.
There really is no previous research to indicate that Latinos have a propensity to vote conservative in any numbers. Either way the Republican Party is in trouble. Allow amnesty and there will be 10s of millions of new Democrats added to the voter rolls--undocumented Democrats, really. Truly, do you really believe that Progressives would be so hot to make citizens of illegals if they believed that these were going to become Republican voters? Seriously? If they thought that, that border would slam shut and those people would be deported so darned fast your head would spin. Oppose amnesty, and alienate Latinos who seem to be more concerned with their "tribe" than what is best for the U.S. and its citizens as a whole. But you are right on this: as long as the white vote is split down the middle, the numbers just don't break for the Republicans. Just my analysis.
Young people can be goofy. So many of my friends just don't have a grasp of politics. They should be concerned as all of this is going to affect their futures dramatically. But they are more interested in daily drama in a lot of cases. I'm not sure if it is just my batch of younger Americans, or if it's always been like this. I have no point of reference for how older people were when they were teenagers or 20-somethings. I do know that a lot of people I knew liked Ron Paul. But Obama comes off as "cool" and a lot of younger people are kind of superficial that way (in my experience). They really don't have much in-depth understanding of issues. Again, not all but many.
Excellent post, especially the part that these newly legalized immigrants would just become more Democrats not Republicans. The Republicans would be fools to think otherwise.
Republicans have no choice but to go with some kind of immigration reform. If they stonewall they will lose the few hispanic votes they do have. The president will introduce immigration reform and if the pubs say now they will be crucified over it. They need to gain hispanic votes not lose them. Any hint of fight back will doom them for 2016.
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