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Old 11-25-2008, 03:03 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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I agree with everything you are saying... I mean no offensive my comment was geared towards what I read on page two... but as yourself I will share my thoughts on this matter as I please...I am trying to see this topic for different stand points and your right I am new and still learning... I am not blaming the US for these peoples problems I just dont believe we should be turning away one group of people and not the other

It depends, in some cases they will be killed by their own govts as defectors. That doesn't happen in Mexico.
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Old 11-25-2008, 03:15 PM
 
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"defectors" wow... that was a slap to the face... people should never be considered that disposable... and why not Mexico?
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Old 11-25-2008, 03:24 PM
 
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The one thing I can say is the US needs to work on fixing there own before they can help others
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Old 11-25-2008, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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"defectors" wow... that was a slap to the face... people should never be considered that disposable... and why not Mexico?
My father defected from Hungary to Germany then the USA in 1948 fleeing the Communists.

I do agree that 'defector' has pretty much fallen into disuse since 1990.
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Old 11-25-2008, 04:57 PM
 
Location: S.Florida
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I thought he was comparing the Cubans fleeing Castro to Jews fleeing the Holocaust. I was just saying that if he was then I disagreed. A lot. There is probably very little to nothing in the world you can compare with Jews fleeing the Holocaust.

What happened in Russia under Stalin or the terror where 1/3 of the country was killed under the khmer Rouge are both worse than the Holocaust in terms of numbers killed.

However those 2 are rarely taught in American school or if taught take a back seat to the Jewish holocaust.

I wonder why.
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Old 11-25-2008, 04:59 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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What happened in Russia under Stalin or the terror where 1/3 of the country was killed under the khmer Rouge are both worse than the Holocaust in terms of numbers killed.

However those 2 are rarely taught in American school or if taught take a back seat to the Jewish holocaust.

I wonder why.
With all due respect to what happened to the Jewish people...........I wonder why as well.
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Old 11-25-2008, 05:05 PM
 
Location: S.Florida
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With all due respect to what happened to the Jewish people...........I wonder why as well.

I am no way playing down the horror inflicted upon them but in actual numbers killed the Stalin regime and Polks regime were by far much worse.

In American high school they take a back seat to the Jewish Holocaust if even taught.

In many countries all 3 are taught equally but not in America . I have never understood this.

No wonder many American students do not even know about the other 2.
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Old 11-26-2008, 08:02 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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"defectors" wow... that was a slap to the face... people should never be considered that disposable... and why not Mexico?
Think Iraq. If you are an Iraqi Shia fleeing violence, come to Europe and are sent back by legal means there is about a 60-40 chance that you will be driven into the desert , shot in the back of the head and buried in a shallow grave. I'm pretty sure no Illegal Aliens being returned to Mexico suffer that fate?

The same goes for others seeking asylum in the US.
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Old 11-26-2008, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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I am no way playing down the horror inflicted upon them but in actual numbers killed the Stalin regime and Polks regime were by far much worse.

In American high school they take a back seat to the Jewish Holocaust if even taught.

In many countries all 3 are taught equally but not in America . I have never understood this.

No wonder many American students do not even know about the other 2.
Stalin's murders are pretty well known.

Polk's alleged atrocities?

Now: if discussing other nations guilty of mass murder; add in China and Japan in just the 20th Century.
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Old 11-26-2008, 10:06 AM
 
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Think Iraq. If you are an Iraqi Shia fleeing violence, come to Europe and are sent back by legal means there is about a 60-40 chance that you will be driven into the desert , shot in the back of the head and buried in a shallow grave. I'm pretty sure no Illegal Aliens being returned to Mexico suffer that fate?

The same goes for others seeking asylum in the US.
Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer [URL="http://www.city-data.com/forum/immigration/33432-wet-foot-dry-foot-policy-post6311495.html#post6311495"]http://pics3.city-data.com/forum/ima...s/viewpost.gif[/URL]
If you have been on this board a while then you know it's not about what color someone is. What we are discussing are the financial and cultural impacts 20 million people living here have on tax payers, social services, and neighborhoods. The World is filled with poor, it is sad and it is what it is. 3 Billion people oppressed in Africa and Asia don't impact us. 20 million Illegal Aliens living off social services here do.
I contribute money and clothing every year to poor in their own Countries. I do NOT want my Country turning into a 3rd World Country. We can stop blaming the US for all of these people's problems and start pointing the finger at their oppressive governments.
We get that...............do you mind if I use some of this for my research paper......

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