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Old 01-23-2007, 09:20 AM
 
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If this was true you could still buy a home for 3X median wage. Look around, in some areas homes sell for 10X median wage or more! In south Florida there are no longer any "americans" in construction, yet costs are sky high. Labor is not the problem but a population explosion is. This area went from 500,000 people 50 years ago to 4 million or so (legal) and who knows how many illegals? Meanwhile RE investors and big time developers drive around in luxury cars and enjoy their supersised Mc Mansions. Has anyone taken a close look at the low quality of today's construction? The high costs are from land speculation, zoning and loose lending, not from labor costs. Otherwise my parents would have paid 150,000 for their home in 1960, not 15,000. We don't need illegals, there's no room for them anymore!
There are certainly other factors in home pricing, but getting ridding of low wage workers in construction, OR ANY INDUSTRY, will drive up prices. Wal-mart, mcdonalds, your new home, all of them will be well out of reach. Also, comparing home prices to the median wage is not a fair gage.
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Old 01-23-2007, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Colorado
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There are certainly other factors in home pricing, but getting ridding of low wage workers in construction, OR ANY INDUSTRY, will drive up prices. Wal-mart, mcdonalds, your new home, all of them will be well out of reach. Also, comparing home prices to the median wage is not a fair gage.
it wont drive up prices if the corporations lower their profit margins a tad. Which in the end will benefit everyone, we could afford more hense they make more money even with the lowering of profit.
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Old 01-23-2007, 10:10 AM
 
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it wont drive up prices if the corporations lower their profit margins a tad. Which in the end will benefit everyone, we could afford more hense they make more money even with the lowering of profit.
I don't know of any board of share holders that would vote to cut their profit margins a tad for the common good. They are business men, and they make money. If a business voted to lower profits, I would sell my stock in a heartbeat, and so would everyone else on Wall St.
And, it's not just real estate prices. Groceries, fast food, any service industry, all of the prices be catupulted upward up if you took at the low wage workers.
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Old 01-23-2007, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Thumb of Michigan
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Default Illegal immigration!

Arguing and getting into semantics about illegal immigration and the pros and cons of it is really a moot point!

Consider this: "Illegal immigration undermines sovereignty and legal rights of citizens!" Those of you that oppose this statement, here's a suggestion: Write to your local/state and federal government and demand that those who are legal citizens and oppose illegal immigration to lift the tax burden on the legal citizens then you can justify all reasons for illegal immigrants.

Hopefully, that'll cease some of the incessant ramblings on the matter!

Sometimes i want to illegally immigrate to the nearest "indian reservation". (lol)
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Old 01-23-2007, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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Arguing and getting into semantics about illegal immigration and the pros and cons of it is really a moot point!

Consider this: "Illegal immigration undermines sovereignty and legal rights of citizens!" Those of you that oppose this statement, here's a suggestion: Write to your local/state and federal government and demand that those who are legal citizens and oppose illegal immigration to lift the tax burden on the legal citizens then you can justify all reasons for illegal immigrants.

Hopefully, that'll cease some of the incessant ramblings on the matter!

Sometimes i want to illegally immigrate to the nearest "indian reservation". (lol)
Your right, it is a moot point, wont get us anywhere. I agree. I am not sure I would mess with the native americans!
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Old 01-23-2007, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Small patch of terra firma
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Your right, it is a moot point, wont get us anywhere. I agree. I am not sure I would mess with the native americans!
haha, I agree, they will just point, laugh, and say, "we're not falling for it a second time".
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Old 01-23-2007, 12:43 PM
 
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Arguing and getting into semantics about illegal immigration and the pros and cons of it is really a moot point!

Consider this: "Illegal immigration undermines sovereignty and legal rights of citizens!" Those of you that oppose this statement, here's a suggestion: Write to your local/state and federal government and demand that those who are legal citizens and oppose illegal immigration to lift the tax burden on the legal citizens then you can justify all reasons for illegal immigrants.

Hopefully, that'll cease some of the incessant ramblings on the matter!

Sometimes i want to illegally immigrate to the nearest "indian reservation". (lol)
I don't agree, about this being moot. I have vastly different opinions than Nea1, but their personal perspective parallels a lot of Americans. While Nea1 hasn't fundamentally changed how I view anything, I will better understand a way of thinking different from my own next time I participate in our democracy. I think an important consequence of these forums is that I can hear from people I probably wouldn't talk to otherwise. If opening your eyes to a new perspective requires listening to and posting ramblings about a moot point, so be it.
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Old 01-23-2007, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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I don't agree, about this being moot. I have vastly different opinions than Nea1, but their personal perspective parallels a lot of Americans. While Nea1 hasn't fundamentally changed how I view anything, I will better understand a way of thinking different from my own next time I participate in our democracy. I think an important consequence of these forums is that I can hear from people I probably wouldn't talk to otherwise. If opening your eyes to a new perspective requires listening to and posting ramblings about a moot point, so be it.
Good point. You never know there are other things we may agree on. My personal experiences and of those around me does influence my thinking. I used to think like you, but to much has happened and my views changed.
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Old 01-23-2007, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Thumb of Michigan
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I don't agree, about this being moot. I have vastly different opinions than Nea1, but their personal perspective parallels a lot of Americans. While Nea1 hasn't fundamentally changed how I view anything, I will better understand a way of thinking different from my own next time I participate in our democracy. I think an important consequence of these forums is that I can hear from people I probably wouldn't talk to otherwise. If opening your eyes to a new perspective requires listening to and posting ramblings about a moot point, so be it.
We can slice it, dice it, cut it and even go to the bottom of a very deep lake to find "points" about illegal immigration but when it's all said and done, the fundemental truth remains: "Illegal immigration undermines sovereignty and legal rights of citizens".
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Old 01-23-2007, 01:02 PM
 
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We can slice it, dice it, cut it and even go to the bottom of a very deep lake to find "points" about illegal immigration but when it's all said and done, the fundemental truth remains: "Illegal immigration undermines sovereignty and legal rights of citizens".
I'll give you fundamentally held belief, bot certainly not a truth. This is no reflection on my personal views, but I hardly think your statement qualifies as indisputable and infallible.
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