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Old 08-06-2008, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Denver
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See - this is the illogic of this argument! Illegals came here WILLINGLY. They allowed themselves to be used as little more than indentured slaves. But the difference is - they were not captured and put on a boat and brought over here and sold - THEY SOLD THEMSELVES INTO SLAVERY.

All they had to do is A. stay in their own country . . . B. turn around and walk back across the border. THEY HAVE NO RIGHTS HERE.

This is not hard!!!
They are not slaves, but America was exploiting them like they were and Americans were reaping the rewards until they spoke out.
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Old 08-06-2008, 06:12 PM
 
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You make apologies for illegals the same way muslims make apologies for suicide bombers, "because they are a desperate people." Bleh! These arguments you're making are so typical of the spew from illegals and politically correct, always so full of holes they would be laughable, except it's scary, because we worry you actually believe these lies.

You are properly labeled a propagandist.
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Old 08-06-2008, 06:17 PM
 
Location: State of Being
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They are not slaves, but America was exploiting them like they were and Americans were reaping the rewards until they spoke out.
Exploiting them? Until they spoke out?

Again - where do you get these ideas? These dudes all knew what was awaiting them when they got here! Just b/c you think $50 a day is exploitation, the illegals have FLOCKED HERE, totally willingly, totally of their own volition, specifically so they could earn $50/day.

Immoral for business owners to do it? Sure! But for God's sake, Mach,no one had the bull whip out beating some illegal, forcing him to step across Arizona's border so Massah Tom could slap chains on him and force him to labor in the fields for free.

Stop and think what you are saying! Illegals came here knowing how much money they would make and that they would be living 20 to an apartment, yet they still chose to come! No one took a cow prod and ran their collective asses across the USA's border.

THINK. You are not even making sense.

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Old 08-06-2008, 06:19 PM
 
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They are not slaves, but America was exploiting them like they were and Americans were reaping the rewards until they spoke out.
They were free to leave their supposed exploitation anytime and go home.
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Old 08-06-2008, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Denver
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Exploiting them? Until they spoke out?

Again - where do you get these ideas? These dudes all knew what was awaiting them when they got here! Just b/c you think $50 a day is exploitation, the illegals have FLOCKED HERE, totally willingly, totally of their own volition, specifically so they could earn $50/day.

Immoral for business owners to do it? Sure! But for God's sake, Mach,no one had the bull whip out beating some illegal, forcing him to step across Arizona's border so Massah Tom could slap chains on him and force him to labor in the fields for free.

Stop and think what you are saying! Illegals came here knowing how much money they would make and that they would be living 20 to an apartment, yet they still chose to come! No one took a cow prod and ran their collective asses across the USA's border.

THINK. You are not even making sense.
It makes sense to me, I guess you have to be in it to understand it.

It obviously made sense to them, because they marched. But I will agree it doesn't seem to get across to alot of Americans, but some do get it.
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Old 08-06-2008, 06:24 PM
 
Location: State of Being
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It makes sense to me, I guess you have to be in it to understand it.

It obviously made sense to them, because they marched. But I will agree it doesn't seem to get across to alot of Americans.
MACH: I agree that business owners are heinous and immoral for taking advantage of illegal labor. And I personally feel they are little more than indentured slaves. But the whole point is - no one forced them to come here, and no one is keeping them here.

The unspoken part of what you are writing is that, despite the lousy pay and treatment, illegals (and their families) prefer living in the USA than Mexico and so they want the USA to give them amnesty.
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Old 08-06-2008, 06:24 PM
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Location: NC/SC Border Patrol
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Bluebeard save your history lesson. They are criminals and we don't want them here. Not one of them is doing any good for anybody but themselves and they are a drain on our economy by the extra taxes we have to pay for health, education, law enforcement for just a few. We need to close the border with them on the other side and it would not affect our country at all except for the good.
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Old 08-06-2008, 06:45 PM
 
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Really? Your opinion matters to the Chinese government? Mine sure doesn't.
What are you talking about? I'm talking about it matters in the context of American immigration policy.
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Old 08-06-2008, 06:47 PM
 
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You make apologies for illegals the same way muslims make apologies for suicide bombers, "because they are a desperate people." Bleh! These arguments you're making are so typical of the spew from illegals and politically correct, always so full of holes they would be laughable, except it's scary, because we worry you actually believe these lies.

You are properly labeled a propagandist.
Umm yeah. If you don't like someone, all you havta do is compare them to a terrorist or a Nazi and then they are EVIL!!! Talk about labeling and fear-mongering.
How am I a propagandist? I'm saying my POV, you are saying yours. We are both saying "propoganda" for our respective POVs.
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Old 08-06-2008, 07:05 PM
 
Location: State of Being
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What are you talking about? I'm talking about it matters in the context of American immigration policy.
The way I read your comment was in reference to your feeling that China should not refuse NK refugees . . . and my point is - China doesn't care what you think and they have the right to deport anyone who crosses their border illegally. The world has to recognize their Sovereignty, even if we disagree w/ their policies. What does that have to do w/ American immigration policy?
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