Do not defund police/ add more police (Ramsey: car insurance, felons)

[Cruz Azul Guy]

Originally Posted by Umbria

Can we sue these judges and others for incompetence/failure to do their jobs therefore putting the citizens at risk - both physically and financially?

Nah.

1) I don’t buy the narrative that this has any relation to the recent uptick in crime (being related to the pandemic/shutdowns seems far more plausible)

2) I also don’t subscribe to this mentality of “lock’em all up and throw away the key.” We should instead shift focus to what is causing people to commit crimes and causes of recidivism and how to more effectively rehabilitate people who commit crimes so they can be re-introduced to society and become productive members.

[blisterpeanuts]

Originally Posted by Cruz Azul Guy

Nah.

1) I don’t buy the narrative that this has any relation to the recent uptick in crime (being related to the pandemic/shutdowns seems far more plausible)

2) I also don’t subscribe to this mentality of “lock’em all up and throw away the key.” We should instead shift focus to what is causing people to commit crimes and causes of recidivism and how to more effectively rehabilitate people who commit crimes so they can be re-introduced to society and become productive members.

Rehabilitation doesn't work. Social workers don't help.The only proven solution is to lock them up. Eventually, the message gets around that if you do the crime, you'll do the time.

[Umbria]

Originally Posted by Cruz Azul Guy

Nah.

1) I don’t buy the narrative that this has any relation to the recent uptick in crime (being related to the pandemic/shutdowns seems far more plausible)

2) I also don’t subscribe to this mentality of “lock’em all up and throw away the key.” We should instead shift focus to what is causing people to commit crimes and causes of recidivism and how to more effectively rehabilitate people who commit crimes so they can be re-introduced to society and become productive members.

Pure balony. More later on your namby pamby theory~~~~~~~

[Cruz Azul Guy]

Originally Posted by Umbria

Pure balony. More later on your namby pamby theory~~~~~~~

You’re entitled to your opinion. You likely won’t convince me to agree though.

[blisterpeanuts]

Originally Posted by Umbria

Pure balony. More later on your namby pamby theory~~~~~~~

The exact same reasoning as in the 1970s, and it was a failure then just as much as it is today. The notion that we can stop crime by being nicer and more understanding toward the criminals... [[[shudder]]]

[Cruz Azul Guy]

Originally Posted by blisterpeanuts

The exact same reasoning as in the 1970s, and it was a failure then just as much as it is today. The notion that we can stop crime by being nicer and more understanding toward the criminals... [[[shudder]]]

No you’re right. Longer sentences and taking away their ability to obtain gainful employment and vote after they are released seems to be working really well for American society. So why not double down on that approach no?

[blisterpeanuts]

Originally Posted by Cruz Azul Guy

No you’re right. Longer sentences and taking away their ability to obtain gainful employment and vote after they are released seems to be working really well for American society. So why not double down on that approach no?

Appropriate sentences, realistic bail, and speedy trials.

There are plenty of jobs, especially now.

Voting? Not even going to dignify that with an answer.

Property crimes are skyrocketing right now because people see that they can get away with it. And have been told their entire lives that society owes it to them.

Murders are skyrocketing because... people know they can get away with it. Even when they're caught, they're frequently released on low bail or even no bail. Now that their own kind are in mayoral and prosecution leadership positions, they're just pushing their cities closer to the brink of anarchy.

The police obviously understand all of this, and increasingly don't bother with arrests. Why should they? If I were a Minneapolis police officer today, I would not arrest a soul. Let someone else get sued.

[Cruz Azul Guy]

Originally Posted by blisterpeanuts

Appropriate sentences, realistic bail, and speedy trials.

There are plenty of jobs, especially now.

Voting? Not even going to dignify that with an answer.

Property crimes are skyrocketing right now because people see that they can get away with it. And have been told their entire lives that society owes it to them.

Murders are skyrocketing because... people know they can get away with it. Even when they're caught, they're frequently released on low bail or even no bail. Now that their own kind are in mayoral and prosecution leadership positions, they're just pushing their cities closer to the brink of anarchy.

The police obviously understand all of this, and increasingly don't bother with arrests. Why should they? If I were a Minneapolis police officer today, I would not arrest a soul. Let someone else get sued.

Yes, well what do you expect when there was a large group of people who were sitting and waiting patiently, just desperate to go damage someone’s property and/or commit murder….and soon as they saw their opportunity to take said actions and get away with it they pounced on it.

Meanwhile Minneapolis police, who used to enforce the law, have been relegated to driving around in their squad cars aimlessly until their shift ends.

Yup, sounds about right.

[Umbria]

Originally Posted by blisterpeanuts

Appropriate sentences, realistic bail, and speedy trials.

There are plenty of jobs, especially now.

Voting? Not even going to dignify that with an answer.

Property crimes are skyrocketing right now because people see that they can get away with it. And have been told their entire lives that society owes it to them.

Murders are skyrocketing because... people know they can get away with it. Even when they're caught, they're frequently released on low bail or even no bail. Now that their own kind are in mayoral and prosecution leadership positions, they're just pushing their cities closer to the brink of anarchy.

The police obviously understand all of this, and increasingly don't bother with arrests. Why should they? If I were a Minneapolis police officer today, I would not arrest a soul. Let someone else get sued.

You took the words right out of my mouth. Covid has nothing to do with their behavior - they had no intention of working before Covid and nothing will chage that - afterall they can steal it and get nore $$ for less time.

We have many different ethnic groups in this city - many have experienced similar or worst past histories. What's the difference - they don't whine and display violent behavior but go out and make a life for themselves through positive measures. They work.

WE have seen how well this namby pamby crap works - our crime rate is soaring and not because of covid. What are the numbers now - a 500 % increase?

I vote to begin using the 3 strike law.

[wamer27]

Originally Posted by blisterpeanuts

Appropriate sentences, realistic bail, and speedy trials.

There are plenty of jobs, especially now.

Voting? Not even going to dignify that with an answer.

Property crimes are skyrocketing right now because people see that they can get away with it. And have been told their entire lives that society owes it to them.

Murders are skyrocketing because... people know they can get away with it. Even when they're caught, they're frequently released on low bail or even no bail. Now that their own kind are in mayoral and prosecution leadership positions, they're just pushing their cities closer to the brink of anarchy.

The police obviously understand all of this, and increasingly don't bother with arrests. Why should they? If I were a Minneapolis police officer today, I would not arrest a soul. Let someone else get sued.

My Canadian citizenship card should be showing up within a year, it’s my backup plan if ever wanted in future. It’s nice having my mom born in Canada.