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In some parts of NJ I would consider Arabs to be old ethnic whites. Especially around South Paterson and the surrounding suburban towns. You have large numbers of Lebanese/Syrians in that area who have been in this country for 100 years.
I head to South Paterson quite often, and I must say that the old Lebanese Christians have been replaced significantly by Palestinian Muslims. They're still pretty big in suburban towns, though. I know a number of old ethnic Arabs living in Westchester County, but they're all either married to Irish and Italians or really, really old. They were the Arabs who lived in Bay Ridge and left after being replaced by Muslims and newer Arab immigrants decades ago.
Another state where Arabs can be considered old ethnic whites is Michigan. While the Arab population in Detroit suburbs are made up of Lebanese Muslim/Iraqi/Yemeni immigrants and first generation Americans, you'll find third-generation+ Lebanese living throughout the state. They descend from relatives who worked in the automobile industry in the 20s and 30s and are almost completely Christian.
first of all the point was that bed-stuy is the oldest black neighborhood in new york city, which it is. what does your family connection to the neighborhood have anything to do with that? and wealthy people only started living there in the 1920's.....f.w. woolworth lived in the neighborhood. what does your father and your grandmother have to do with it? i've already cited that at least 65,000 black people lived in bed-stuy in 1940. bed stuy's population now is only 135,000. straight from a book. where's your source?
once again, you're comparing my sources from a published historian encyclopedia to a magazine, your father, and your grandmother.
You're arguing a different thing then. Yeah, there was a small black neighborhood called Weeksville within Bed-Stuy, which was white. So what? My point was that all those historic brownstones in Bed-Stuy were built by and originally lived in by white people. So to call it a "black neighborhood" historically is extremely misleading.
I'm not surprised you couldn't name a source that said Bed-Stuy ever had a black majority in its original history. But you don't seem to be arguing the fact either... just that there were some black people off in a small pocket.
Yeah I was just about to point that out. I think the poster is flying his hipster flag if he considers Russians to be the old ethnic whites .
In some parts of NJ I would consider Arabs to be old ethnic whites. Especially around South Paterson and the surrounding suburban towns. You have large numbers of Lebanese/Syrians in that area who have been in this country for 100 years.
To be honest, most of my friends are Park Slope type yuppies or investment bankers who think they're being edgy for living on Avenue A. But I'm not cool enough or young enough to be a hipster.
Those Russians and Polish in Jersey City have been there a very long time... so I'd definitely call them "old ethnic whites"... I wouldn't call any group the old ethnic whites. Anything that isn't WASP is ethnic white to me, but then I'm influenced by faux-edgy yuppies.
A LOT of famous actors, businessmen, politicans, musicans are of Lebanese descent. However, the vast, vast, vast majority of them are Christians and descendents from 19th/early 20th century immigrants. Here's a profile:
You're arguing a different thing then. Yeah, there was a small black neighborhood called Weeksville within Bed-Stuy, which was white. So what? My point was that all those historic brownstones in Bed-Stuy were built by and originally lived in by white people. So to call it a "black neighborhood" historically is extremely misleading.
I'm not surprised you couldn't name a source that said Bed-Stuy ever had a black majority in its original history. But you don't seem to be arguing the fact either... just that there were some black people off in a small pocket.
no neighborhood in nyc will ever have a black majority in its original history. my focus was never to establish that. my original point and main point is that its the oldest black neighborhood in nyc. no contesting that.
and when you say historic brownstones, do you just mean the current LPC district, or are you talking about the entire neighborhood? because the stuy is a large area.
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LOL, I know quite a bit about Bed-Stuy history. That Wikipedia article isn't very thorough... maybe I'll re-work it when I have time.
YOU are wrong. Look it up at an actual source, not something anyone can edit... Bed-Stuy was majority white from 1850 to 1950. It has been majority-black only since 1950. Do some actual research before you try to "correct" my history of the area. Bed-Stuy is what we are talking about, not the tiny enclave of Weeksville.
Do the math, that's 100 years as a white neighborhood and less than 60 years as a black neighborhood.
Well Well Well...seems this talk has turned to almost a racist debate. The truth is that the Neighborhood was mostly white up until mid 1940's. it then was mixed, the turn happened in full effect during the late 50's..whatever the case maybe the neighborhood is full of history and i do believe all backgrounds, race and creed should be credited ..thanks
Well Well Well...seems this talk has turned to almost a racist debate. The truth is that the Neighborhood was mostly white up until mid 1940's. it then was mixed, the turn happened in full effect during the late 50's..whatever the case maybe the neighborhood is full of history and i do believe all backgrounds, race and creed should be credited ..thanks
you're about 4 months late seeing that the last post was made in february....but thanks anyway.
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It's always trouble when you start calling a neighborhood "historically" this or that. Bushwick, for instance, was founded by the Dutch. After the Revolutionary War, some Hessian mercenaries decided not to go back to Europe, settled there, and gave it a German flavor that lasted more than a hundred years. Then it became a heavily Italian district. Then it was black and Hispanic. So now there are whites moving (back) into Bushwick. It seems to me that nobody has a particular claim on the area!
I was born in the Brownsville section of Brooklyn. For much of the 20th century (the early 1920s through the middle 1960s), Brownsville was one of the most heavily Jewish neighborhoods in Brooklyn. It certainly isn't that way today! The bottom line is, neighborhoods change.
You say you're being "chased" out of Bed-Stuy? So then you'll move to some other area, and be part of the change there!
I understand your point...so I guess historically NYC was a 100% Native American community..as nobody has been here longer! Nonetheless....I agree that no group "owns" anything....times change..and neighborhoods change. I don't think blacks, or any other group "deserve" or are in anyway entitled to live anywhere for any reason, just as the whites were not entiteled to live there when the blacks moved in.
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