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Old 07-01-2014, 01:13 PM
 
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Yeah its down compared to a few years ago but definitely not compared to a few decades ago.

The rates have been falling since the late 50s. Besides the bump in the early 90's it has largely kept a downward trajectory.

 
Old 07-01-2014, 01:17 PM
 
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and still in a commuted relationship

"A key change in marital status patterns has been the large increase
in cohabitation or living together among unmarried couples (5, 6). In
the years 1980 84, 29 percent of out-of-wedlock births were to cohab-
iting couples; by 1990-94, this proportion increased to 39 percent,
according to data from NCHS

National Survey of Family Growth
(NSFG) and the National Survey of Families and Households (5). Most
of the increase in births to unmarried women since the early 1980s was
in births to unmarried cohabiting women; nearly all of this increase was
among non-Hispanic white women"

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr48/nvs48_16.pdf

So while children born out of wedlock is "up" There is still a family around the child, and not a single parent raising them

I have a few friends like that actually. They are simply in no rush to get married is all.
 
Old 07-01-2014, 01:35 PM
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The rates have been falling since the late 50s. Besides the bump in the early 90's it has largely kept a downward trajectory.

The peak for teen pregnancy rates was in the late 80's early 90's.
 
Old 07-01-2014, 01:55 PM
 
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The peak for teen pregnancy rates was in the late 80's early 90's.

No it wasn't. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db89.pdf
 
Old 07-01-2014, 01:57 PM
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I was talking about teen pregnancy period which includes those pregnancies that were not carried to term.

The peak for birth rates appears to be in the 70's when all of the free-love stuff had peaked.
 
Old 07-01-2014, 02:02 PM
 
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I was talking about teen pregnancy period which includes those pregnancies that were not carried to term.

The peak for birth rates appears to be in the 70's when all of the free-love stuff had peaked.

Sources?
 
Old 07-01-2014, 02:19 PM
 
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I have to think that the less sheltered benefit by access to birth control and a more thorough sex education, which, in theory, should lower the rate of teen pregnancies.

Hormones don't listen.
 
Old 07-01-2014, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Cushing OK
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We don't live 50 years ago, but it wasn't healthy then, either. And it's not "all of a sudden" - those same fifty years have done quite a bit to change things.

But you go on continuing to believe that innocence will save the world, far be it from me to try to stop you.
I was a teen fifty years ago. My mother just couldn't figure our why I didn't wear nice little dresses, instead of mini skirts and fishnet and go go boots. Where I lived the 'style' on top of this was dad's oversized sweater. I'm sure she felt like a failure. When I was in my thirties and mom died, I was still daddy's girl, perenially twelve. Both my parents were raised in hard circumsances at least part of the childhood and wanted to make mine perfect. They didn't suffocate with stuff like today's parents, but we had the one each of the good things and dad didn't do loans or credit so they earned them. What they didn't pass on was that real world situation of how you get there. I never heard discussions of money. I never saw a bill being paid. I wasn't greedy, but spending for their one kid was part of the budget. I didn't have all the latest, but then I didn't want all that either.

Then rolled in real life and I realized how much they hadn't taught me. How much it cost for food... cars ... clothes... forget goodies at first. I feel bad for the current generation and those before who not only got what we did but much more. When you were a kid you got all the goodies because 'everyone' had them. and now your twentysomething, can't find a full time job and are more concerned with where you'll live and eat than toys. If its mom and dads, then maybe when they think of how having half the children still shareing the roof, but maybe not able to pay rent for the room, maybe its karma.

You don't have to deprive a kid to teach them about how to accept responsibility, but you can drown them so much they really never have had a chance to practice until its the rock and hard place.
 
Old 07-01-2014, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado U.S.A.
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Abnormal by todays standards, yes. But people years ago got along fine without having to experiment with multiple partners and so to say that this is harmful to someone who still chooses to live that way is overreaching.
Yes, but people used to get married when they were 18 - 22! When you don't want to get married until you're 30, it's different.
 
Old 07-01-2014, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado U.S.A.
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This used to be a lot more prevalent. We had healthier marriages and less baby daddy and child support issues back then too. Things have definitely changed.
I don't know. My mother is quite a "prude" IMO, but she was married at 19, had me at 20, divorced by 21, and re-married and pregnant again by 22. I don't know what was going on, but I'm sure Jerry Springer could have sorted it out.
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