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First of all Somalia was a humanitarian act, not a war. Get that straight first. Second, Iraq was shooting at our aircraft daily well before the war started, try for about 10 years.
Not only that - they provocatively placed their country under those aircraft.
No, Islam is a religion. The clerics that rule Iran are a theocracy. They overthrew a Shah that was a dictatorship that the US helped establish when the Shah staged a military coup to overthrow their democratically elected leaders. Iraq did not have a theocracy, it had a dictatorship, even though the country was largely Islamic. Pakistan has an elected government. The Taliban that ruled Afghanistan was a theocracy. Turkey has a secular government that has been struggling to fight off incursions of theocratic laws, a struggle made harder because of the animosity that is generated by American policies in Islamic countries. Saudi Arabia has a monarchy with theocratic overtones because the monarchy is based on descendance from the Prophet Mohammed. Libya has a dictatorship. Palestine has elections.
Islam is NOT A RELIGION ... it is a Theocracy deriving it's authority to rule by religious edicts.
And what is this hogwash about Turkey's struggle against Muslim theocratic tyranny being associated with animosity regarding US policies? Turkey (the Ottoman Empire) was aligned with Germany, and lost. They are a Muslim country, and by that ALONE places them in a struggle to quell Islamic Rule .. as is the case in EVERY country that Islamists gain larger numbers.
Saudi Arabia has theocratic overtones? Are you for REAL? Saudi Arabia is the spiritual center of Islam, and those stuffed dictators in the Royal Palace operate in lockstep with their theocratic overlords who feed their fat faces from the oil revenues denominated in US dollars, that without western technology would still be looking for water instead of oil, and riding camels and sleeping in tents.
These barbarians make the US neocons look like boy scouts, and have been in bed with them for decades.
And if you want an accurate picture of Islam, look no further than Saudi Arabia who thinks it is justice to order 50 lashes for a young women as punishment for her crime of being gang raped.
Oh what Pillars of moral authority and brotherly love! Nothing an outsider could do to a Muslim that compares to the slavery of their very souls perpetrated by their loving leaders ... how Godly they truly are
You're ignoring WHY there is criticism of the Islamic world. Saudi textbooks (distributed all over the Muslim world) unrepentantly insult other religions. There are 22 Muslim nations. They're pretty horrible places where women are dirt and non-Muslims essentially second class citizens. You're also infantiziling Muslims by not holding them responsible for their own actions in their own countries.
The third greatest casualties from a war last century was during the Iran-Iraq war. That was not a US doing.
FYI, democratically elected governments can still suck. Hamas is a truly evil organization, a Muslim version of the KKK, yet they were freely elected by the Palestinians. Were we supposed to applaud somehow?
Rauf is defending Al Quada while building a big giant building a short distance away from where thousands of American citizens were murdered by his fellow co-religionists.
Yes, that's rather tacky and insensitive.
His own community is hardly much better. Even in America the Islamic community here tolerates the worst kind of hatred in their very own mosques:
Americans are supposed to admit to all our supposed enormous faults while the Islamic community perpetually whines about Israeli Jews living next door to them, blames America for the faults of a billion people and plays the victim constantly at every turn. I'm a very liberal person but I'm more than a little sick of it. Islam is nothing more than ideology. If I find it an extremely distasteful ideology well that's no different than finding capitalism or communism rather unpalatable.
Our foreign policy holds foreign countries responsible for their actions within their borders. Our DOMESTIC policy does not hold American citizens responsible for the actions of foreign countries. Your insistence that it should is rather tacky and intolerant.
The entire point of tolerance is not that we only tolerate ideology, religions and cultures that we like. Tolerance is about accepting that other people will embrace ideology, religion, and culture that we find distasteful. Part of how we go about that is recognizing our own faults.
The Islamic community here tolerates the worst kind of hatred in their own mosques. Is that any different than the tolerance extended by Americans toward Fred Phelps and his Westboro Baptist Church?
The Islamic community here is made up of American citizens. They get to exercise the identical same freedoms as all other American citizens. To discriminate against them because of their religion is wholly un-American.
So you exonerate Saddam from the brutal acts he pulled on his people? Gassing the kurds, his sons just randomly picking up young girls to rape them, killing Atheletes when they didn't perform well. All of that? You excuse all of that? How about the ethnic cleansing going on in Somalia, you excuse that too?
The United State Government gave the Shah of Iran a free pass for pretty much the same behavior. He had an horrible record of torturing and intimidating anybody he didn't like, feared or felt threatened his authority. It's also one of the reason there is so much animosity in Iran toward the United States.
In fact the United States Government's record in support leaders with human rights abuses is nothing to be proud of. They include Augusto Pinochet in Chile, Anastasio Somoza in Nicarargua, and Ferdinand Marcos in the Phillipines just to name of few.
Rauf's has very divisive words and says that our Constitution is Sharia compliant. What in the world is that supposed to mean? Not very reassuring words to me.
It means that he considers it perfectly possible to abide by the US Constitution and be a devout Muslim at the same time, something you'd know if you'd spent more time reading what the man has written, and less what is written about him. There are people out there who intend to profit from keeping you fearful and ignorant.
Islam is NOT A RELIGION ... it is a Theocracy deriving it's authority to rule by religious edicts.
And what is this hogwash about Turkey's struggle against Muslim theocratic tyranny being associated with animosity regarding US policies? Turkey (the Ottoman Empire) was aligned with Germany, and lost. They are a Muslim country, and by that ALONE places them in a struggle to quell Islamic Rule .. as is the case in EVERY country that Islamists gain larger numbers.
Saudi Arabia has theocratic overtones? Are you for REAL? Saudi Arabia is the spiritual center of Islam, and those stuffed dictators in the Royal Palace operate in lockstep with their theocratic overlords who feed their fat faces from the oil revenues denominated in US dollars, that without western technology would still be looking for water instead of oil, and riding camels and sleeping in tents.
These barbarians make the US neocons look like boy scouts, and have been in bed with them for decades.
And if you want an accurate picture of Islam, look no further than Saudi Arabia who thinks it is justice to order 50 lashes for a young women as punishment for her crime of being gang raped.
Your inability to be rational means that having a rational discourse with you is pointless. Did you even read what you wrote about Turkey? It doesn't make ANY sense at all. "They are a Muslim country and that places them in a struggle to quell Islamic rule"? Huh? Do you think before you post?
I heard him say it himself. The video is posted somewhere on this forum.
I just watched the clip...
Please, I am begging you, I beseech you to tell me that you aren't so stupid as to not understand the meaning of Rauf's remarks! PLEASE! I beg you!
A transcription of the short clip:
"What is right with America and what is right with Islam..in fact very much in sync.
Seven centuries ago one of the most important jurist said that all of Sharia law is basically the fulfillment of five basic human rights, the right to life, the right to freedom of religion, the right to family, the right to property, the right to what was called in the Muslim world mental well being. Now how similar is this to the American Declaration of Independence which declares that you are created equal... and god thereby creating a certain unalienable rights among which are life, liberty and pursuit of happiness...
Now when you look, when you unpack these concepts and ideas in this way you will see this is why I call America a Sharia compliant state."
He doesn't say that Sharia is compliant with U.S. Law.
He doesn't say that Sharia is appropriate under U.S. Law
What he clearly states is that when you consider the basic principles of Sharia, the right to like, the right to freedom of religion, the right to family, the right to mental well being and since the U.S. holds those same rights to be sacred, the U.S. is in no need of Sharia guidance because;
I has already adopted the most basic principles of Sharia!
LIFE LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS!
Which should not come as a surprise to you The-U.S.-Was-Founded-Un-Judeo-Christian-Principles™ crowd because just you claim the U.S. was founded, so, believe it or not, was Islam! So shock and horror that you share many of the same basic tenets!
It means that he considers it perfectly possible to abide by the US Constitution and be a devout Muslim at the same time, something you'd know if you'd spent more time reading what the man has written, and less what is written about him. There are people out there who intend to profit from keeping you fearful and ignorant.
I'm more concerned with those who tell the ignorant there is nothing to fear.
First of all Somalia was a humanitarian act, not a war. Get that straight first. Second, Iraq was shooting at our aircraft daily well before the war started, try for about 10 years.
I kindly remind you that it wasn't me who brought up Somalia, and I did not call it a war. Get your reading skills straight first.
Second, Iraq did not "shoot daily at our aircraft", any way you try to spin it. But even if one would assume this assumption to be true (just for s&%ç and giggles): what were the US planes doing over sovereign Iraqi territory?
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