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Old 03-24-2012, 01:37 AM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Originally Posted by Bideshi View Post
Same thing happened at the end of the Vietnam war.
No one in his right mind wants to die so that Obama can figure out a way to get out of Afghanistan.

Note that said "wants to." The Marines in question "have to."

That's the price we pay for having a liberal President who wants to look tough. Just like LBJ.

GET OUT OF AFGHANISTAN NOW!

 
Old 03-24-2012, 01:39 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Yeledaf View Post
No one in his right mind wants to die so that Obama can figure out a way to get out of Afghanistan.

Note that said "wants to." The Marines in question "have to."

That's the price we pay for having a liberal President who wants to look tough. Just like LBJ.

GET OUT OF AFGHANISTAN NOW!
So if Romney wins, are you going to go through another contortion and support the war because now a GOP guy is leading the charge?
 
Old 03-24-2012, 02:12 AM
 
Location: Mississippi
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Hear hear! It's great to know soldiers are standing up against the great lie that is the ineligible fascist dictator Obama.
 
Old 03-24-2012, 03:38 AM
 
Location: Near Manito
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So if Romney wins, are you going to go through another contortion and support the war because now a GOP guy is leading the charge?
If Romney wins and we're still in Afghanistan, you'll do enough contortions for both of us.
 
Old 03-24-2012, 03:40 AM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Hear hear! It's great to know soldiers are standing up against the great lie that is the ineligible fascist dictator Obama.
Mr. Obama is neither inelgible or a fascist dictator. He is just another politician masquerading as Commander in Chief.

Just like his predecessor was. And his successor will be.
 
Old 03-24-2012, 03:41 AM
 
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So what happens to the President who refuses to enforce laws that he disagrees with such as the anti-illegal immigration laws and DOMA?
Presidents have been picking and choosing which laws to enforce since Andrew Jackson. That's no reason to ruin a good thing by staging a yahoo revolution.
 
Old 03-24-2012, 03:48 AM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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According the the Huffington Post, the Marine Corps has started removal proceedings against the Sergeant, who has doubled down on his postings and has disobeyed orders to stop.

He'll be gone before April Fool's Day. Somebody ought to stick a pointed cap on his head right now so he'll be used to it when he gets his discharge. You know that discharge ain't gonna say 'Honorable' anywhere on it.

And there is still time to put himself in the brig for 6 months before he gets escorted out the gate. Disobeying a direct order can accomplish that in a half-day, easy. There is not a pleasant hour spent in a Marine brig.
 
Old 03-24-2012, 03:48 AM
 
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If Romney wins and we're still in Afghanistan, you'll do enough contortions for both of us.
Not really -- my position on Afghanistan hasn't changed since 9/12/2001. I, like Obama and many Democrats who are realists when it comes to war, have always seen Afghanistan as a necessary fight. It's Iraq I hated. I saw that as a disastrous diversion at at time we had a real enemy who needed killing. I will damn the Cheney administration until my dying day for pulling that stunt. However, I'll support the war in Afghanistan in word and deed for as long as it lasts -- if we were there in 2025 with ground conditions similar to what they are today, I'd probably still back it. I get that Afghanistan is uniquely situated to harbor terrorists who mean us and our allies harm. We should stay for as long as it takes to stop them.. and if as long as it takes is indefinitely, so be it. If Romney is elected, he will follow pretty much the identical campaign plan that Obama will carry out if Obama wins again. The only thing that will change is who is cheering for what in the cheap seats. I predict you'll soften up your anti-war stance.
 
Old 03-24-2012, 03:53 AM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Not really -- my position on Afghanistan hasn't changed since 9/12/2001. I, like Obama and many Democrats who are realists when it comes to war, have always seen Afghanistan as a necessary fight. It's Iraq I hated. I saw that as a disastrous diversion at at time we had a real enemy who needed killing. I will damn the Cheney administration until my dying day for pulling that stunt. However, I'll support the war in Afghanistan in word and deed for as long as it lasts -- if we were there in 2025 with ground conditions similar to what they are today, I'd probably still back it. I get that Afghanistan is uniquely situated to harbor terrorists who mean us and our allies harm. We should stay for as long as it takes to stop them.. and if as long as it takes is indefinitely, so be it. If Romney is elected, he will follow pretty much the identical campaign plan that Obama will carry out if Obama wins again. The only thing that will change is who is cheering for what in the cheap seats. I predict you'll soften up your anti-war stance.
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Tell me again what is necessary about bleeding our troops in a hellhole where the population hates us and the enemy has the tacit support of the "government" there we installed.

This is Vietnam II, my friend. And you know it. We're letting our guys die so that Obama can figure out to get us out of that tribal sh1thole filled with people in dresses who like to stone women to death for wanting to learn to read.

Talk about cheap seats: I did my time in a fuitle war while your predecssors were cheering on the Vietcong. So don't give me any of your partisan BS.

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Old 03-24-2012, 04:03 AM
 
Location: Texas
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When our military is called into actual service, then the president is called into service as Commander-in-Chief and not until such time. Only Congress has the power to take our nation from a peacetime to a wartime status. I ran into quotes of some of our Founding Fathers again earlier today. They precisely stated this.

No president is Commander in Chief from the day of his inauguration till he is out of office for merely being President.

No president has the power to take our nation from peacetime to wartime--say the Founders.

Oh yes the Commander in Chief does have the power to commit troops into harms way. You know why? Because Congress delegated that power to him.

Congress certainly has the Constitutional authority to do that and it's entirely legal.
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