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I've never said I was pro gun control, but reading on CD has quickly changed my mind.
You don't seem to understanding that the rights to one's body is not the same as the rights to a thing.
Are you really so confused what you can't tell the difference between people and things?
You, sir, are the reason why I'm leaning towards gun control.
It's not the right to the gun per se, it's a right to self defense. I need the gun for self defense. Self defense very much constitutes my body.
Abortion is not "your body." It's a procedure/labor. Just like a gun, you need abortion to protect or alter your body. Where it becomes murky is when abortion alters another life, that of the baby.
Owning a gun doesn't by necessity affect anyone. Abortion in certain stages (and some would argue all stages) does by necessity affect another life.
Rare by means of far better education and use of contraception than we have today.
Aside from the million conceptions lamented so thoroughly in this thread...
there are probably another million similarly ill considered conceptions to be avoided... that aren't.
Prompt because once the diligent, educated try to avoid conception line has been crossed...
and the choice to exercise the right has been made... NO ONE gains from delay.
Free because dealing with the costs are the single largest hindrance to prompt...
(and it's the best use of public funds if/when even available HI won't pay)
The right to make the choice without the ability to exercise it... isn't much of a choice at all.
The only people who need to be involved in ANY aspect of the decision are the woman and her doctor
I'm not going to waste my time posting links. If you think there are only 2 and I post one more, will you sign off and never log back in? Might be worth it then
You make a positive and you provide the proof.
That's how it works.
Link or lie.
You make a positive and you provide the proof.
That's how it works.
Link or lie.
I posted a link and the other girl posted a name. I know the game here. You're gonna keep asking for more. So I ask you, I post one more (that'd be 3) will you log out and never return?
Because the cut-off for late term abortion isn't clear. I consider anything after 15 weeks late term as do some others. Many laws though only consider post 24 weeks as late term.
At 16 weeks, you're about 4 months in. Generally not considered viable but no one can deny the fetus is just a "fetus" in this stage. Anyone whose seen an ultrasound that is. Somewhere between 5-6 months the baby does become viable with modern technology.
The earliest baby born to have survived was 20-21 weeks.
So you make up your own definitions.
Was that 21 week old able to survive without heroic measures?
I think not.
So you make up your own definitions.
Was that 21 week old able to survive without heroic measures?
I think not.
Late term abortion is just a cut off. There is no hard and fast definition, sunshine. But the 21 week survived by the efforts of modern technology, without the mother. Whatever you want to call heroic, does that mean kids born with genetic defects that render them tied to medical technology for survival, can be killed by anyone at any time?
People's medical procedures are confidential, not secretive.
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I know just one myself.
