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Abortion is not the problem. It is a symptom or side effect of the problem.
The problem is the number of unplanned and poorly considered conceptions.
However many abortions may happen... at least as many will be carried through to birth.
More Court action to make contraception difficult or expensive or impossible: source
These people don't care about the children that might be..
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Safe... Legal... Rare... Prompt... Free
Rare by means of far better education and use of contraception than we have today.
Aside from the million conceptions lamented so thoroughly in this thread...
there are probably another million similarly ill considered conceptions to be avoided... that aren't.
Prompt because once the diligent, educated try to avoid conception line has been crossed...
and the choice to exercise the right has been made... NO ONE gains from delay.
Free because dealing with the costs are the single largest hindrance to prompt...
(and it's the best use of public funds if/when even available HI won't pay)
The right to make the choice without the ability to exercise it... isn't much of a choice at all.
Abortion is not the problem. It is a symptom or side effect of the problem.
The problem is the number of unplanned and poorly considered conceptions.
However many abortions may happen... at least as many will be carried through to birth.
More Court action to make contraception difficult or expensive or impossible: source
These people don't care about the children that might be..
---
Safe... Legal... Rare... Prompt... Free
Rare by means of far better education and use of contraception than we have today.
Aside from the million conceptions lamented so thoroughly in this thread...
there are probably another million similarly ill considered conceptions to be avoided... that aren't.
Prompt because once the diligent, educated try to avoid conception line has been crossed...
and the choice to exercise the right has been made... NO ONE gains from delay.
Free because dealing with the costs are the single largest hindrance to prompt...
(and it's the best use of public funds if/when even available HI won't pay)
The right to make the choice without the ability to exercise it... isn't much of a choice at all.
Part of the problem would lie with the Right if they ever became powerful enough to defund planned parenthood, as it is an organization that not only provides healthcare referrals to women, but also refers women to birth control, contraception. If the Right {republicans} had their way, there would be zillions of unwanted pregnancies, maybe they think women holding an aspirin between their legs is the way to prevent pregnancy, as one republican supporter has already eluded to. With positions such as these, it's no wonder people view the republican party as being out of touch with what Americans want.
Why? Science does not know exactly when consciousness comes into place. There is no hard and fast line between consciousness unless you're talking about a sentient creature being alive then dying. All your article summarized was that a certain level of complexity is reached at so and so stage in gestational development that allows for consciousness to be "richer."
All of this fine. Science is cool and all. But we're not going to base our laws on the shaky premises of a science in her infancy (neuroscience). A much clear, hard and fast rule is viability. If the baby can survive outside the mother and develop into a sentient being then as a society that treasures life, we should err on the side of life. Since this has been observed to occur at the 20th week, our cutoff needs to be before.
If you think you can add something of intelligence instead of confusing facts for scientific theories (which are extrapolations based on facts that are testable and verifiable) and a fundamental misreading of the summary (they didn't say consciousness began at 24-28 weeks, hint hint) then let's have it.
But if you think you're going to power through this linking to "big" words off the internet, you got another thing coming.
Oh, but we already do and your uninformed opinion is not going change anything. .
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Roughly two months later synchrony of the electroencephalographic (EEG) rhythm across both cortical hemispheres signals the onset of global neuronal integration. Thus, many of the circuit elements necessary for consciousness are in place by the third trimester. By this time, preterm infants can survive outside the womb under proper medical care.
The third trimester, which starts around the 27th week, maybe a week earlier, depending on what source you use, is the earliest possibility of fetal consciousness or brain activity. An absence of brain activity is a standard indicator of lifelessness (death). The human fetus does not have a functioning neural network - sufficiently mature neurons, developed myelin sheaths, and the presence of neurotransmitters - to create thought that produces brain waves that are visible via EEG until the third trimester. Until the brain is functioning, the fetus is NOT a person.
All of the above is testable and verifiable. If you can find equally testable and verifiable sources that state a fetus possesses the biology necessary for brain activity before the third trimester, then we'll continue this conversation. Until then, case closed.
By the end of 8 weeks gestation: all major body systems continue to develop and function, including the circulatory, nervous, digestive, and urinary systems
the embryo is taking on a human shape, although the head is larger in proportion to the rest of the body
the mouth is developing tooth buds (which will become baby teeth)
the eyes, nose, mouth, and ears are becoming more distinct
the arms and legs are clearly visible
the fingers and toes are still webbed but can be clearly distinguished the main organs continue to develop and you can hear the baby's heartbeat using an instrument called a Doppler The First Trimester
Note: "Nervous system: The network of nerve cells and fibers that transmits nerve impulses between parts of the body."
So, by the time many abortion murders are performed, children (developing human beings) can feel their bodies being ripped apart.
You abortion lovers can cite all this alleged scientific stuff till you are blue in the face, but, the truth is every fetus is a human being. All your bs will never change that. You should admit you are wrong, beg God's forgiveness and try and do better. Ok. Merry Christmas to one and all!!!
So, were you a hippy before you decided to be a hippie? I thought hippies were supposed to love everything and everybody, even tiny, or is it tinie, little "fetuses". What happened to that? Of course a different sort of hippi comes to mind, like the Charles Manson type? Yes, I did kinda like that dumb song.
Once again, if you don't know what a word means, don't use it.
I've never loved a fetus, and I don't care much for young kids.
But the young kids are living creatures, breathing humans, and all.
So now I'm charles manson.
Yeah, you've got a lot of credibility going there. A whole lot.
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Originally Posted by chronic65
You abortion lovers can cite all this alleged scientific stuff till you are blue in the face, but, the truth is every fetus is a human being. All your bs will never change that. You should admit you are wrong, beg God's forgiveness and try and do better. Ok. Merry Christmas to one and all!!!
Abortion lovers?
Really, you have less credibility every time you post.
A fetus is not a human being, it is a potential human being.
Do you hold funerals for miscarriages?
You have no proof of any god thingie and it's horribly offensive (and very muslm like) to try to force your beliefs (for which there is no proof) on others.
When you have nothing else, invoke your god thingie, as if that works.
You abortion lovers can cite all this alleged scientific stuff till you are blue in the face, but, the truth is every fetus is a human being. All your bs will never change that. You should admit you are wrong, beg God's forgiveness and try and do better. Ok. Merry Christmas to one and all!!!
I amazes me that anyone can deny that a human embryo is a human. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US started out this way. This is the first stage of human life and you always get a human from a human embryo. You never get a horse or a cow because it isn't a horse or a cow. It's a human. A tiny one but a human none the less. If you'd destroyed that embryo that we each started as, you would have destroyed us. I'm not sure how much more simple the argument can be made.
The fact is, once conception has taken place, all that you need is to be given the time to grow up. Nothing miraculous happens post conception. If you feed it, give it oxygen and give it time, it's a human. So it must have been a human all along.
Once again, if you don't know what a word means, don't use it.
I've never loved a fetus, and I don't care much for young kids.
But the young kids are living creatures, breathing humans, and all.
So now I'm charles manson.
Yeah, you've got a lot of credibility going there. A whole lot.
Abortion lovers?
Really, you have less credibility every time you post.
A fetus is not a human being, it is a potential human being.
Do you hold funerals for miscarriages?
You have no proof of any god thingie and it's horribly offensive (and very muslm like) to try to force your beliefs (for which there is no proof) on others.
When you have nothing else, invoke your god thingie, as if that works.
Feh.
You are living proof that ignorance is bliss. By the way, show me the tiniest bit of proof that there is no God. And, I do have proof there is a God. Another thing, I am not trying in the least bit to force my beliefs on you or anyone else. Go to Saudi Arabia or a few of those other countries if you want to know what "force" looks like. I am pretty sure Satan is offended by Jesus.
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The woman can't help but be there when an abortion is performed, can she?
