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Old 04-02-2013, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Since when is it anti-freedom to disseminate information that every child should know by a certain age? Don't want your children to learn these things? Fine, then you have the FREEDOM to either homeschool, send them to a private religious school, or opt out of sex ed for your children. See how freedom works? It doesn't mean keeping all the other children from learning something important, just because YOU think it's not necessary; it means offering the lesson and giving you (the parent) other options if they disagree.

I don't think you understand the definition of freedom.
Schools are for teaching academics to advance in life. The left is all for geting into the personal lives of children.

 
Old 04-02-2013, 07:21 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Schools are for teaching academics to advance in life. The left is all for geting into the personal lives of children.
Teaching health and consumer education are two very important parts of advancing in life. At the very worst, your kids will be exposed to more information beyond what you already teach them. If you're so concerned, you can have them tell you what they're learning and you can feel free to tell them what to believe and what not to believe.
 
Old 04-02-2013, 07:23 PM
 
Location: California
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No, but you consider me part of "the left" or you wouldn't have said that in the first place. I'm actually a Libertarian-independent, but your (and the other poster's) continuous attacks on "the left" are getting old.



Parents don't always do their job, and as a society, we are all affected by those who are under-educated. Common sense 101.
Did you read the title of the thread before you posted? Why would you even be here if it bothers you so much?

It's not the governments job to teach the things parents are suppose to, the family unit has failed and that is what needs to be fixed. nothing the government does has anything to do with common sense.
 
Old 04-02-2013, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Did you read the title of the thread before you posted? Why would you even be here if it bothers you so much?

It's not the governments job to teach the things parents are suppose to, the family unit has failed and that is what needs to be fixed. nothing the government does has anything to do with common sense.
Yes, the family unit does need to be fixed. Until it gets fixed, the schools will have to pitch in. Don't be selfish, your kids will be better off for it. Stop sheltering them. (those are open statements, not meant toward you directly, since I don't even know if you have children)
 
Old 04-02-2013, 07:27 PM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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Schools are for teaching academics to advance in life.
You think that's the ONLY aspect of learning? Explains a lot, in regards to the social awkwardness and lack of common sense I see regularly these days.

I am 36 years old, and even when I was a kid, school wasn't 100% about reading, writing, and arithmetic. You also learn about social skills, health, history, finances, personal care, athletics (including such important lessons as losing gracefully and not giving up), popular culture, etc. If you want to raise little robots, go right ahead, but I personally prefer my children are well-rounded - and not just "preparing for future success in work." Not all parents have the time or money for afterschool programs, either, so eliminating these things in schools would cause a (social) class divide. Are you in favor of class divisions?

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The left is all for geting into the personal lives of children.
Again with the "lefties blah blah" nonsense. Is the ONLY way you know how to debate? If so, I really don't see how we could possibly have a mature discussion on the topic. But these types of baseless, emotional, and non-factual "arguments" are usually a sign of your inability to come up with anything better. So I'll take this as a sign that you're no more informed than the others who keep attacking the left, and cease trying to reason with you now.
 
Old 04-02-2013, 07:29 PM
 
Location: California
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Yes, the family unit does need to be fixed. Until it gets fixed, the schools will have to pitch in. Don't be selfish, your kids will be better off for it. Stop sheltering them. (those are open statements, not meant toward you directly, since I don't even know if you have children)
The school didn't have to raise my kids I did it and they turned out great. We set an example others should follow. Family is #1
 
Old 04-02-2013, 07:30 PM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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Did you read the title of the thread before you posted? Why would you even be here if it bothers you so much?
Yes, I read it - and called out the OP in my first reply for a baseless attack on the left. How is this issue controlled by one side of the political spectrum, anyway? I know plenty of conservatives who support sex ed in schools, and even more conservatives live in and send their kids to school in the Chicago area. So until you can prove this was funded and backed solely by "the left," I will continue to call BS on that aspect of this topic.

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It's not the governments job to teach the things parents are suppose to, the family unit has failed and that is what needs to be fixed. nothing the government does has anything to do with common sense.
And how do you suggest we "fix family units" without offering these lessons in schools, or intervening on an official level? I'll await your brilliant suggestions.
 
Old 04-02-2013, 07:31 PM
 
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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The school didn't have to raise my kids I did it and they turned out great. We set an example others should follow. Family is #1
Not everyone is you.
Surely you realize that.
Also, you cant speak for everyone.
 
Old 04-02-2013, 07:32 PM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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The school didn't have to raise my kids I did it and they turned out great. We set an example others should follow. Family is #1
Were your kids home-schooled?

And why do you think a parent can't teach their kids important lessons AND learn stuff in school too? I learned a lot from my parents, and they raised us very well - but they didn't teach us absolutely everything, particularly not in terms of social behavior. And what makes you think all parents are this good? I don't know if you've worked in public education, as I have; and I can tell you from my personal experiences, some of these kids would be a mess without school lessons & intervention.
 
Old 04-02-2013, 07:33 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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The school didn't have to raise my kids I did it and they turned out great. We set an example others should follow. Family is #1
I'm sure they did, but again, you're only looking from your perspective. There are tons of parents out there who don't do their jobs as parents. Even if they do their job, teaching them more can only help.

Learning life skills is more important than learning the Pythagorean Theorem or the symbolism in The Scarlet Letter for 99% of students.
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