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Old 12-24-2013, 08:37 AM
 
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I disagree because there is alot of crime in many Hispanic neighborhoods. There aren't as many broken families within the Hispanic population, but they do exist in large numbers, and the result has been crime. One major difference between crime from Hispanic gangs and Blacks criminals is this: Many Hispanic gang members might take their victims over the border and kill them. Blacks can't take their victims anywhere, so the spatial distribution is strictly domestic.
One interesting commentary though (and I'm sure this will ruffle some feathers) is the work ethic difference between blacks and Hispanics. I'm sure this can be argued and debated to death but just based on observation.....
I don't have the stats but I'd would assume a higher % of blacks are on welfare compared to Hispanics.
I think this is due to the culture of dependency created in some of the black community through social programs, welfare etc. and the fact that many a lot of Hispanics are 1st/2nd generation, immigrated from really poor circumstances and are just happy to have the opportunity to work and chase the American dream?

For example, regardless of where I've lived, I've rarely seen (I said 'rare', not 'never') a landscaping crew of all black workers where 95% of them are all Hispanic. I don't know what this means, just an observation.

 
Old 12-24-2013, 08:39 AM
 
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I don't know when it started, but the reason why many black neighborhoods got so bad and still remain bad to this day is because blacks themselves allow it to continue unabated. Not enough blacks have the desire to clean up their neighborhoods and change it for the better.

And certainly not enough blacks have the will or perhaps even the desire to learn to raise their kids properly so that they don't become criminals and continue the cycle of violence and crime in their neighborhoods, otherwise this problem could have been greatly reduced or even mostly stopped a LONG time ago.
Actually, I have to call something out. The Black parents who do raise their children right, who are there for their families, they leave certain neighborhoods. It is important to note that Black neighborhoods are often Black, not because Blacks seek to live among their own, but because historically, they have been unwanted. When Blacks were able to live in other places, the Blacks who could afford to leave did leave. Blacks who wanted nothing to do with the underclass left.

I will present this to you. Black middle class people are doing the same thing White middle class people have done. When there are greener pastures, they leave. When middle class Blacks get ostracized by underclass Blacks for "acting White", they leave. I would argue that the decay begins with the underclass takes over/middle class Blacks are gone. Ask this. Why would anyone, Black or White, stay in a bad neighborhood? If Whites can leave a Black neighborhood, why not Blacks? Why the double standards?
 
Old 12-24-2013, 08:41 AM
 
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It takes two to make a baby. Maybe men should put their pants on once in awhile.
Agreed, but once the man is done, he's done. Now that woman has to deal with the consequences for the next 18 years.

Women hold the keys to the kingdom. They need to either go on long term birth control or keep their legs closed.
 
Old 12-24-2013, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Agreed, but once the man is done, he's done. Now that woman has to deal with the consequences for the next 18 years.

Women hold the keys to the kingdom. They need to either go on long term birth control or keep their legs closed.
Well we've bent over backwards to make contraception/abortion available to even minors and it's not working.
As they say..you can lead a horse to water.

NYC schools went one step further and pays for IUDs for minors.
Since the schools have taken over parenting maybe thats the route to go.

IUDs at 12.
 
Old 12-24-2013, 08:49 AM
 
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One interesting commentary though (and I'm sure this will ruffle some feathers) is the work ethic difference between blacks and Hispanics. I'm sure this can be argued and debated to death but just based on observation.....
I don't have the stats but I'd would assume a higher % of blacks are on welfare compared to Hispanics.
I think this is due to the culture of dependency created in some of the black community through social programs, welfare etc. and the fact that many a lot of Hispanics are 1st/2nd generation, immigrated from really poor circumstances and are just happy to have the opportunity to work and chase the American dream?

For example, regardless of where I've lived, I've rarely seen (I said 'rare', not 'never') a landscaping crew of all black workers where 95% of them are all Hispanic. I don't know what this means, just an observation.
Actually, there is something else to look at. Blacks are far more likely to be unemployed or underemployed than anyone else, even with education levels being equal.

I would also argue that it is a difference between being an immigrant and being a Black American. Immigrants come here because they want to work, so by that, there is a lesser likelihood of being on welfare. And I would consider this. I would say some businesses would rather hire immigrants than Blacks. There are cases of that happening.
 
Old 12-24-2013, 08:52 AM
 
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One interesting commentary though (and I'm sure this will ruffle some feathers) is the work ethic difference between blacks and Hispanics. I'm sure this can be argued and debated to death but just based on observation.....
I don't have the stats but I'd would assume a higher % of blacks are on welfare compared to Hispanics.
I think this is due to the culture of dependency created in some of the black community through social programs, welfare etc. and the fact that many a lot of Hispanics are 1st/2nd generation, immigrated from really poor circumstances and are just happy to have the opportunity to work and chase the American dream?

For example, regardless of where I've lived, I've rarely seen (I said 'rare', not 'never') a landscaping crew of all black workers where 95% of them are all Hispanic. I don't know what this means, just an observation.
I don't know about all Hispanics, but for Mexicans, I'd put their work ethic over just about everyone in this country. Regardless of race.


They're some of the hardest working people (generalized by race) that I've met.
 
Old 12-24-2013, 08:56 AM
 
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I don't know about all Hispanics, but for Mexicans, I'd put their work ethic over just about everyone in this country. Regardless of race.


They're some of the hardest working people (generalized by race) that I've met.
This is true. Not sure if it's a cultural thing or what, but these guys work their asses off. I do believe they are grateful for the opportunity to be here and that in the USA, you can be successful if you're willing to work hard.
 
Old 12-24-2013, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Actually, there is something else to look at. Blacks are far more likely to be unemployed or underemployed than anyone else, even with education levels being equal.

I would also argue that it is a difference between being an immigrant and being a Black American. Immigrants come here because they want to work, so by that, there is a lesser likelihood of being on welfare. And I would consider this. I would say some businesses would rather hire immigrants than Blacks. There are cases of that happening.
Even legal immigrants are barred from welfare for so many years with very few exceptions.
The immigrants have no choice but to work. And because of that they want to keep their jobs.
 
Old 12-24-2013, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I don't know about all Hispanics, but for Mexicans, I'd put their work ethic over just about everyone in this country. Regardless of race.


They're some of the hardest working people (generalized by race) that I've met.
And they do what they are supposed to do without having to constantly watch over them.
They actually go above and beyond for some work.
 
Old 12-24-2013, 09:02 AM
 
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What do you guys mean this is black problem? I'm black and I don't spend my free time killing people. The amount of melanin in my skin doesn't matter. Honestly, why should I be held responsible for what ghetto people do...Nobody mentions how African and carribean immigrants have the highest rate of PhD success in the country...
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