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Old 10-25-2013, 10:57 AM
 
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as soon as Obamacare rings up enough victims of doctor loss, premium increase, out-of-pocket increase, cancellations, etc., the smug apologists will learn the truth.
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Old 10-25-2013, 11:00 AM
 
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So maybe it can be amended to make it optional and when someone opts out, they waive any and all rights to healthcare, including the emergency room, unless they have the recourses to pay cash.

Why should the healthcare system continue to respond to people who choose to not insure their healthcare risks? Why not give such people the freedom to die of what might otherwise have been a preventable or treatable medical condition?
"So maybe it can be amended". What part of, "I will NOT negotiate, said by Obama and Reid, do you not understand?
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Old 10-25-2013, 11:01 AM
 
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as soon as Obamacare rings up enough victims of doctor loss, premium increase, out-of-pocket increase, cancellations, etc., the smug apologists will learn the truth.
No they wont.. look at the responses we're seeing.. It ranges anywhere from, you didnt have adaquate coverage and now Obamacare is making you obtain it, to paying twice what you were is better because now you might qualify for a subsidy, to people losing insurance is in their best interest because now you can shop around, as if you couldnt before.
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Old 10-25-2013, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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If there is zero upside for lying, why does Obama do it so much? There is plenty of upside for lying in his case. If the truth were known about Fast and Furious, the IRS scandal, Benghazi, the ACA, no bid contracting, Solyndra, etc., then he would have never won re-election.

Well, maybe he would have. People ARE that stupid.
You assume that Obama knew otherwise.

Every single president has a wall of shame that happened under his watch.

You assume every president /governor/mayor had a hand in everything that went down, under his/her watch.
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Old 10-25-2013, 11:06 AM
 
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All individual plans expire/terminate on an annual basis. No insurer is obligated to renew the same terms and conditions or premium. This is usually when insurers drop those who were diagnosed with excluded conditions.

This year, insurers are advising their customers that their prior plan does not comply with ACA minimums.
many insurers are replacing former plans with ACA compliant plans. Some insurers are choosing to opt out of healthcare insurance because they cannot compete on a level playing field.
Oh for gods sakes just stop. millions of people are not being cancelled because they were being diagnosticed with excluded conditions, especially given that the ACA makes pre-existing conditions ILLEGAL to discriminate.

So what you're admitting is plans that people dont want, and dont need, are being forced down the consumers throat, at prices they cant afford, and still insurers are opting out because the reinbursement, even though its A LOT HIGHER, wont cover the new expenses..

How the hell is this a drop in cost like Obama said would take place?
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Old 10-25-2013, 11:08 AM
 
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You assume that Obama knew otherwise.

Every single president has a wall of shame that happened under his watch.

You assume every president /governor/mayor had a hand in everything that went down, under his/her watch.
He sure in hell didnt mind "knowing" that costs would drop 3,000%, which is what he told everyone.. or that you could keep your doctor, or your insurance company..

Did he?
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Old 10-25-2013, 11:08 AM
 
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All individual plans expire/terminate on an annual basis. No insurer is obligated to renew the same terms and conditions or premium. This is usually when insurers drop those who were diagnosed with excluded conditions.

This year, insurers are advising their customers that their prior plan does not comply with ACA minimums.
many insurers are replacing former plans with ACA compliant plans. Some insurers are choosing to opt out of healthcare insurance because they cannot compete on a level playing field.
Middle aged mom stop and get your face out of Obamas ass. Not everyone wants to be dictated to and not everyone needs the governments heavy hand to force other people to pay for them.
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Old 10-25-2013, 11:09 AM
 
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Your insurer has never been a part of determining what's best for you. Your insurer is in the business of making money. Those insurers who sold sub prime plans with high deductibles, low lifetime caps and exclusions were on the gravy train.

Being underinsured implies an intent to stiff the healthcare system, should your medical situation cost you substantially more than your own determination.
Prior to ACA ALL insurance companies had to comply with the Insurance Commissioner's requirements.

If you don't like what your local Insurance Commissioner does, you can go to your LOCAL politicians and get changes made.
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Old 10-25-2013, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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How many millions more will now have to deal with deductible issues that THEY CANT AFFORD.
If they cannot deal with the annual maximum out of pocket which include the deductible and co-pays, how are they going to deal with the cost of an uninsured/underinsured medical crisis?
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Old 10-25-2013, 11:18 AM
 
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If they cannot deal with the annual maximum out of pocket which include the deductible and co-pays, how are they going to deal with the cost of an uninsured/underinsured medical crisis?
What crisis? For people who had decent insurance at a cost they could afford, with insurance companies that offered it, there was no crisis..

UNTIL DEMOCRATS INVENTED ONE.. saying that the insured was paying for the uninsured.. WHICH HASNT CHANGED, except now there are MILLIONS more of them..
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