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No one has ever proved that a problem existed, in any state of the union. But the GOP continues to insist that it's out there … somewhere … maybe lurking in the bushes …
First off the legal hurdle to prove voter fraud is set very high. To claim the absence of voter fraud based on conviction rate is not honest.
Test cases are often based on the least likely to be aware preson who would never vote regardless of process. So they are theoretical at best and judgement is passed on theory rather than reality.
Additionally it is imcomprehensible that a judge would claim no evidence of voter fraud exists. That would mean voting is the only activity which is without sin and held in sacred esteem in the hearts of every person who chooses to vote. Fraud is prevelant in every single local, state and federal program and it is essentially traditional and either goes undiscovered for years or is tolerated and justified because the amount of money lost is 'meager'...except to the people who need it or provide the money in form of taxation. As with social justice mandates, the right to vote should be sacred and fraud held to zero tolerance. A single case must be treated with the same vigor as a thousand cases. Consider that each fraudlant vote negates a valid vote.
Precedent is NJ. After 9.11, changed its requirements to obtain a drivers license or to renew a license for the very purpose of ensuring no 'terrorist' would get a driver's license and have free reign to roam and cause havoc. Not too many cases of terrorists with Nj licenses to cite as precedent to pass this requirement but the possibility of harm trumped precedent.
While rationale to cast a vote is not to be questioned, it is again as many have pointed out, stunningly illogical to think the required voter id is beyond the ability of any functioning human at a time when identification is required for cough medicine, and a fishing license.
With porous borders and demonstrated evidence of institutional voter fraud mostly by democratic party supporters and organizations at this time, the probability of fraud is extremely high.
Interesting, sSo why the need for new voter registration ID's, or is it a case that not everyone had them.
The regular ID whether it's DL or just an ID was valid for voting as is any government issued photo ID. It's a "secure ID" and to be considered a "secure ID" federal law says you need substantial documentation including a birth certificate. That's mandatory and there is no way around it. The reason for the special voting only ID is to accommodate the small amount of people that would be unable to obtain the BC. It has all the same security features but you're not going to get on a plane with it.
As I said I'm not sure what else PA could have done other than handing them out in cracker jack boxes. They bent over backwards to insure anyone could get the ID.
The regular ID whether it's DL or just an ID was valid for voting as is any government issued photo ID. It's a "secure ID" and to be considered a "secure ID" federal law says you need substantial documentation including a birth certificate. That's mandatory and there is no way around it. The reason for the special voting only ID is to accommodate the small amount of people that would be unable to obtain the BC. It has all the same security features but you're not going to get on a plane with it.
As I said I'm not sure what else PA could have done other than handing them out in cracker jack boxes. They bent over backwards to insure anyone could get the ID.
So a birth certificate and substantial documentation should be plenty to substitute for a photo ID if someone doesn't have one?.
stunningly illogical to think the required voter id is beyond the ability of any functioning human at a time when identification is required for cough medicine, and a fishing license.
In PA any government issued ID, college ID and long term care facility ID were all valid.
Not if it doesn't have an expiration date on it. And many of them don't, because it's all electronic now and the system expires any student who's left the school.
And what kind of expiration date do they put on long term care facility IDs? Potential date of death?
But of course you can always go to the DMV, everyone's favorite place to stand in line for hours while taking time off from work. And lookie, it's a piece of cake!
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Obtaining a Free ID for Voting Purposes
Find a Driver Licensing Center near you that issues Voter IDs. (Includes Days and Hours of Operation)
New Department of State Voter ID, for Voting Purposes Only
Persons who want the new Department of State Voter ID will need to provide their
Name
Address
Date of Birth
Social Security number (If the customer has been issued an SSN)
County
Previous name and/or address if changed in the past 12 months.
The applicant must fill out a Department of State application form and sign an oath/affirmation that they are a registered voter and have no other form of identification that can be used for voting. While the person waits, staff at the Driver License Center will contact the Department of State to validate that the person is registered to vote. Once verified, the person will receive the free Voter ID, which is only valid for voting and will be good for 10 years.
If PennDOT staff is unable to verify the customer is registered to vote, we will still process their request for a Department of State ID. However, the ID will be mailed to the customer when the Department of State is able to confirm they are a registered voter.
If you lost your Department of State Voter ID or need to change your name, please click here to request a free replacement Department of State Voter ID.
For all applicable forms necessary to obtain a Department of State Voter ID click here.
The Department of State Voter ID, which will be valid for 10 years and can only be used for voting purposes. If a resident has the necessary documents, PennDOT can issue a secure Pennsylvania Photo identification Card. To obtain a secure Pennsylvania Photo Identification card, please follow the steps below;
For a Secure Pennsylvania Photo ID
$13.50 fee for acquiring an Identification Card will be waived for individuals completing the Oath/ Affirmation Voter ID form. All identification documentation is still required to obtain an Identification Card as follows:
Step1
To obtain a Pennsylvania Photo Identification card for voting purposes, an individual needs to visit a Pennsylvania Department of Transportation Driver License Center with a completed Application for an Initial Photo Identification Card; form DL-54A, and the following:
Social Security Card
AND
One of the following:
Certificate of U.S. Citizenship
Certificate of Naturalization
*Birth Certificate with a raised seal
PLUS
Two proofs of **residency such as lease agreements, current utility bills, mortgage documents, W-2 form, tax records
*If they do not have a birth certificate with a raised seal and are a Pennsylvania native; and do not have one of the acceptable, alternative forms of photo identification to vote; and will provide a signed oath/affirmation form, when visiting the PennDOT driver license center, they must:
Tell the PennDOT customer service representative they are a Pennsylvania native who needs a photo ID for voting purposes, and do not have a certified copy of their birth certificate;
Sign an oath/affirmation that they do not have an acceptable form of ID for voting purposes and the photo ID is needed for voting purposes;
Show a Social Security card and two proofs of residence, such as a deed, lease, tax bill, or utility bill;
Fill out a DL-54A form requesting a non-driver photo ID and;
Complete the HD01564F (Request for Certification of Birth Record for Voter ID Purposes Only) form, which collects information such as birth name, mother and father's name and place of birth. This Department of Health form is available at all Driver Licensing Centers.
*PennDOT will attempt to certify the birth record with the Department of Health.
**Students at least 18 years of age: Accepted proofs of residency include the room assignment paperwork (considered a lease) and one bill with their dorm room address on it. Bank statements, paystubs and credit card bills are all acceptable. Other Individuals who may not have any bills, leases or mortgage documents in their name may bring the person with whom they are living along with their Driver's License or Photo ID to a driver license center as one proof of residence. Homeless individuals can use the address of a shelter as their residence provided they visit a Driver's License Center with an employee from the shelter that has an employee photo identification issued by the shelter and a letter on the shelter's letterhead indicating that the homeless individual stays at the shelter.
Step 2
When their application and supporting documentation have been reviewed and processed, a Driver License Center staff member will direct the applicant to the Photo Center to have their photo taken for their Photo ID card.
Step 3
Once their photo has been taken, they will be issued a Photo ID card.
All forms and publications related to obtaining a Pennsylvania Photo ID for voting purposes are now available or will be available shortly in the following languages; Arabic (العربية), Chinese (中文), French (Français), Hindi (हिंदी), Khmer (), Korean (한국어), Russian (Русский), Spanish (Español), Ukrainian (Украинский) and Vietnamese (Tiếng Việt). Please check back periodically; as forms are translated they will be posted to PennDOT's website.
There is one exception, of course. Military IDs don't need an expiration date. Of course the GOP has always counted the military as one of its prime voting blocs. Students, not so much. What a coincidence!
Absolutely not because it doesn't have your face on it for poll worker to identify you.
So you are saying it is valid to use to get a photo ID, but not valid to use to vote. How can you get a photo ID with those documents if they don't have your photo on them?
You have to draw a line somewhere don't you? Not sure about all of them but state issued and military were good one year from expiration. If your state issued ID is expired time to get a new one. If your college ID is expired I guess we can surmise you are no longer a student and it's time to go get state issued ID, whle on the topic how many students are not going to have a regular ID anyway? None? If your old folks home ID is expired you're probably expired as well.
So you are saying it is valid to use to get a photo ID, but not valid to use to vote. How can you get a photo ID with those documents if they don't have your photo on them?
So what you are suggesting is someone bring this with them every time they go to vote:
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Social Security Card
AND
One of the following:
Certificate of U.S. Citizenship
Certificate of Naturalization
*Birth Certificate with a raised seal
PLUS
Two proofs of **residency such as lease agreements, current utility bills, mortgage documents, W-2 form, tax records
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