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Old 01-23-2014, 12:30 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I think all but the most vehement on either side would go along with the underlined. Problems pop up when the law requires a govt. issued ID. A college issued picture ID, a work ID or any other ID with a picture should be sufficient if the picture matches the person.
As long as it is multiple different photo IDs that can be used including college IDs and expired IDs (which are more common with elderly people) then I am much more willing to support the requirement of showing IDs, but that really doesn't do anything to prevent voter fraud, but it makes people think something is being done about a non-issue.
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Old 01-23-2014, 02:24 AM
 
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I think all but the most vehement on either side would go along with the underlined. Problems pop up when the law requires a govt. issued ID. A college issued picture ID, a work ID or any other ID with a picture should be sufficient if the picture matches the person.
The PA law allows for college ID or long term care home ID. In addition to that just about any government issued photo ID like a military ID, passport etc.
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Old 01-23-2014, 03:33 AM
 
Location: texas
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If people cannot obtain the basic documentation for something as simple as a voter ID, then I'd imagine they won't be able to apply on healthcare.gov for ObamaCare.
People do have basic ID for ACA. It is called birth certificate and SS number. Both without photo.
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Old 01-23-2014, 04:52 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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That is one court order that can be ignored. The courts do not determine whether or not a law is necessary, they only determine the constitutionality of the law. No court has the authority to determine what laws the legislature may or may not enact. Since this decision was clearly beyond the scope and authority of the courts, the decision can be, and should be, completely ignored. Furthermore, the judge should be impeached for abuse of power.
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Old 01-23-2014, 04:59 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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I think all but the most vehement on either side would go along with the underlined. Problems pop up when the law requires a govt. issued ID. A college issued picture ID, a work ID or any other ID with a picture should be sufficient if the picture matches the person.
That would not cut it in Alaska. You must use either a State of Alaska ID, or an Alaskan Driver's License. Nothing else is acceptable, because no other form of ID validates that the individual is a US citizen.

In order to obtain an Alaskan Driver's License, or a State of Alaska ID, one must present their original birth certificate in order to verify US citizenship. University IDs, or other forms of ID, do not have that requirement.

You can still vote in Alaska without either an Alaskan Driver's License or a State of Alaska ID, but it will not be counted.
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Old 01-23-2014, 06:02 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Since 2007:

Driver's License and Photo ID Center


PA issued ID's are impossibly hard to duplicate. See the black and white hologram, the white and black areas switch at different angles.

Interesting, sSo why the need for new voter registration ID's, or is it a case that not everyone had them.
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Old 01-23-2014, 06:06 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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That is one court order that can be ignored. The courts do not determine whether or not a law is necessary, they only determine the constitutionality of the law. No court has the authority to determine what laws the legislature may or may not enact. Since this decision was clearly beyond the scope and authority of the courts, the decision can be, and should be, completely ignored. Furthermore, the judge should be impeached for abuse of power.
So why even have a state court if the legislature can ignore it. I don't believe that is correct at all but I will let one of the CD lawyers offer their opinion. How do you get that this is beyond the courts authority?
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Old 01-23-2014, 06:17 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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So why even have a state court if the legislature can ignore it. I don't believe that is correct at all but I will let one of the CD lawyers offer their opinion. How do you get that this is beyond the courts authority?
What part of "The courts do not determine whether or not a law is necessary" were you not able to comprehend?

It is the legislative branch that determines what laws are necessary. The job of the judicial branch is to either find the law unconstitutional, or uphold it. That is the fully extent of their authority. They have absolutely no say on what laws may be or may not be necessary.
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Old 01-23-2014, 06:41 AM
 
Location: On the Group W bench
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I think all but the most vehement on either side would go along with the underlined. Problems pop up when the law requires a govt. issued ID. A college issued picture ID, a work ID or any other ID with a picture should be sufficient if the picture matches the person.
Yes, but golly, those Republican laws usually don't allow college IDs and a whole host of other IDs.

The same laws, of course, also cut back on voting hours and days.

It's so obvious what's going on, and laughable that the cons on this thread think people don't see through it.
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Old 01-23-2014, 06:43 AM
 
Location: On the Group W bench
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What part of "The courts do not determine whether or not a law is necessary" were you not able to comprehend?

It is the legislative branch that determines what laws are necessary. The job of the judicial branch is to either find the law unconstitutional, or uphold it. That is the fully extent of their authority. They have absolutely no say on what laws may be or may not be necessary.
That really is you, isn't it, Sarah? The ignorance of all your posts, and the foaming-at-the-mouth anger and insults all certainly point in that direction.
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