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Old 10-15-2014, 03:03 PM
 
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And still, the protocol evolved and will continue to evolve, based on lessons learned.


this is too deadly for "lessons learned"
hell any one would know do not get on an air plane
now there are hundreds more at risk
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Old 10-15-2014, 03:03 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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In most cases that is partially correct. We already knew what was required for Ebola a level IV pathogen. The government failed to do it.


It doesn’t matter how much you plan,” Dr. Bruce Ribner, an infectious disease specialist ( Emroy) who directed the patients’ care, said in an interview. “You’re going to be wrong half the time.”
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Old 10-15-2014, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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And still, the protocol evolved and will continue to evolve, based on lessons learned.
Emory has a protocol. All the protocol in the world won't help if you haven't been trained property (those Emory folks have years under their belt) and have BSL-4 protective clothing. You cannot implement BSL-4 protocol in every single hospital in the US. It's impossible and budgets cannot afford it.

Those nurses in Dallas were putting medical tape over their exposed skin areas.

My sister told me her hospital has ZERO BSL-4 clothing.
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Old 10-15-2014, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Florida
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this is too deadly for "lessons learned"
hell any one would know do not get on an air plane
now there are hundreds more at risk
The airline industry will take a hard hit as they continue to let West Africans in infected countries fly around the world. There are many people who will continue to fly but there will be those who will not.
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Old 10-15-2014, 03:13 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Emory has a protocol. All the protocol in the world won't help if you haven't been trained property (those Emory folks have years under their belt) and have BSL-4 protective clothing. You cannot implement BSL-4 protocol in every single hospital in the US. It's impossible and budgets cannot afford it.

Those nurses in Dallas were putting medical tape over their exposed skin areas.

My sister told me her hospital has ZERO BSL-4 clothing.
Most hospitals are not equipped to deal with ebola. That's why ebola patients were brought to Emory. I think most hospitals (and people) thought that we would never have ebola here because that would require a huge amount of recklessness in global infectious disease control. Yet here we are.
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Old 10-15-2014, 03:15 PM
 
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Most hospitals are not equipped to deal with ebola. That's why ebola patients were brought to Emory. I think most hospitals (and people) thought that we would never have ebola here because that would require a huge amount of recklessness in global infectious disease control. Yet here we are.
Many on CD were arguing that very thing just a few short weeks ago.
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Old 10-15-2014, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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While I think there are elements of luck/dumb luck in any planning, 50% right/wrong is as good as flipping a coin, ie no planning. Scary to me this guy is in some kind of "leadership" position.


It appears to me we have a blame game style of leadership in charge of this, all the way to the top, who most feel have done a lousy job at "managing" this. In this country alone, if we instituted a ban on people with passports from the heavily infected regions, we'd have at least 2 nurses in Texas who would not be infected today and who knows how many exposed. When "leadership" comes out of the gate and blames that 1st nurse for getting ebola as her fault, the only word I could think of was....pathetic.
Honesty is often scary.

Qualified people can sit around and plan for years and when they face their first real test they learn new lessons There are surprises and mistakes. And this is how better protocols evolve. This is not limited to infectious disease.
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Old 10-15-2014, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Florida
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The temperature of the infected person who flew while having ebola is a reaction to the virus being attacked by a chemical called pyrogens that increase the temperature of the body. This nurse has a slight temperature and the virus was present but not at its peak. The more viral load the more contagious and sick the person is.
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Old 10-15-2014, 03:20 PM
 
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Honesty is often scary.

Qualified people can sit around and plan for years and when they face their first real test they learn new lessons There are surprises and mistakes. And this is how better protocols evolve. This is not limited to infectious disease.
There is no excuse for the CDC not to have sent someone to Dallas to help organize/oversee the operation. That is something than any intelligent individual could have forseen.
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Old 10-15-2014, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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Maybe we could convince John Kerry to give the $121 million dollars (or whatever the amount) that is going to the good people in Palestine to our hospitals to help fund some protective gear?
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