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What an amazing society. Treating your kid with vitamins and food is loony, anti-science, right-wing, and criminal. But treating people with pot is progressive, anti-big pharma, and wonderful.
LOL. Yearly pneumonia and shingles shots? That's silly and you are silly.
I said yearly Flu, not yearly others but that Nursing Home will want him to get all those others, and be up to date on whatever the CDC says, including 10 year TD. That one is absurd at that age.
What an amazing society. Treating your kid with vitamins and food is loony, anti-science, right-wing, and criminal. But treating people with pot is progressive, anti-big pharma, and wonderful.
The child was clinically DEAD before the parents sought out medical help. And who's talking about pot? No one in this thread, until you brought it up. Anyone with reasonably normal intelligence should have realized they were in over their heads with this herb and vitamin stuff and sought help much sooner. The child was dehydrated; he was being fed with an eyedropper. His body was so stiff they couldn't bend him to get him in his car seat, and STILL they didn't get medical help.
What a tragic story. This should be a good lesson for young parents. When you don't know exactly what illness your child has, DO NOT rely on internet websites to diagnose for you. Had this couple taken Ezekiel to the doctor, it could have been established he had bacterial (not viral) meningitis. Very sad.
I said yearly Flu, not yearly others but that Nursing Home will want him to get all those others, and be up to date on whatever the CDC says, including 10 year TD. That one is absurd at that age.
My mistake, thought you were implying yearly vaccinations. Only the flu virus mutates quickly enough to warrant yearly vaccinations.
The elderly are suggested to get a Tdap, especially those who are around the children. A lot of boomers are getting the TDAP because of grand children.
The child was clinically DEAD before the parents sought out medical help. And who's talking about pot? No one in this thread, until you brought it up. Anyone with reasonably normal intelligence should have realized they were in over their heads with this herb and vitamin stuff and sought help much sooner. The child was dehydrated; he was being fed with an eyedropper. His body was so stiff they couldn't bend him to get him in his car seat, and STILL they didn't get medical help.
It is not the prevention with a vaccination, which some on here think should be the case, but after the fact when the child was deathly ill and the parents did not seek immediate treatment to prevent DEATH. I think most thinking adults, whatever their views on vaccination, can see the difference between prevention of a disease and intervention for a disease where death occurred.
This case is not about whether the child received that vaccination or not. Negligence afterward and death is. They would have been charged just the same if they refused a blood transfusion for their child to save it's life and the child died.
True, we don't have the trial transcripts and we only can go on what has been reported in the news. The HIB thing has not been reported anywhere except for "Health Nut News" and "respectful Insolence" two sources that are not particularly trustworthy. I read what the family wrote regarding the autopsy and they didn't mention HIB so who knows. We have no clue how "health Nut News" obtained the info for their story. Did they just read what the family wrote and make extrapolations from there? Who knows. I treat my children with both conventional and alternative (herbs) medicine as warranted. You can continue to try and portray me as anti-mainstream medicine all you want but you are wrong. Nice try but you know that you are lying.
The charges are not just related to administrative issues. Read more about the case, Suzy, that is if you actually care to understand the truth. She was disruptive to the corruption which was not want those who were corrupt wanted or needed in their Chief Medical Examiner.
Maybe, or maybe it was due to the intubation which will also show fluid in the lungs post intubation. Either way, his lungs were clear when he arrived at the hospital.
jojan, maybe you should start a thread about all vaccines since that is clearly what you wish to discuss. The case that you posted about is not about vaccines but rather about whether or not the family sought care for their son early enough. The jury ruled that they did not. The case had nothing to do with vaccines. Even if he was not vaccinated and got HIB and his parents took him to the hospital right away, he could have been saved via antibiotics. Or what if he got the vaccine and got bacterial meningitis anyway and his parents failed to take him in on time and he died? Or what if he got HIB and his parents did take him in to the hospital immediately but the antibiotics didn't work and he died anyway? I mean, really.
If vaccination was not an issue, why are you trying so hard to convince us that this child did not die from the vaccine preventable form of meningitis (HIB)?
ROLF "Cradle (Womb?) to Grave" Vaccinations. Just imagine all the vaccines that will be just as of 2016? Unborn Babies need their Flu and Tdap shots from Mama, and Zika when that comes out. 90 year old Grandpa in a Nursing Home must have his yearly Flu, Pneumonia, Shingles shots! Oh, no, he hasn't gotten his last TD vax since he was 80!!!!
Spend your entire life getting vaccinations. It will NEVER end.
Grandpa in the nursing home can attribute his long life to vaccinations.
Yes, I absolutely would prefer to treat flu with herbs and I did prefer to treat intestinal illness such as rotavirus with breastfeeding That does not make me anti-mainstream medicine by any means. As I've stated numerous times, I find value in both conventional and alternative health methods.
Maybe. I read the article and from what I gathered the author of the article took info from their website and wrote an article. The conditions and the test that was used to detect bacteria were far from optimal and the ME was advised not to use the test results as any sort of proof of anything.
Are you saying that the ex ME lied under oath and committed perjury? Are you saying that you, a random internet poster knows more about what was in the autopsy then the former Chief ME, one of the top experts in Canada in her field?
Googled it and not finding anything on what you are claiming.
The case was all about whether or not they took him to the doctor in a timely manner. If he did in fact have HIB then he could have been treated if they had taken him to the doctor sooner. They didn't and that is what the jury found them guilty of. The case has nothing to do with vaccines.
Again, after aggressive treatment, there are often complications after HIB meningitis if the child survives.
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Nowadays in the industrialised world, at least 95% of people with Hib meningitis recover, but it can be fatal, and as many as one survivor in eight may be left with long-term neurological problems such as deafness, brain damage, problems with co-ordination and epilepsy. Studies from the US have found neurological problems in as many as 45%of survivors. Other severe Hib diseases include pneumonia, epiglottitis (inflammation of the back of the throat), septicaemia (not usually with meningitis), cellulitis (inflammation of tissue), arthritis, and pericarditis (inflammation of the heart lining)
What an amazing society. Treating your kid with vitamins and food is loony, anti-science, right-wing, and criminal. But treating people with pot is progressive, anti-big pharma, and wonderful.
This is not a partisan/liberal/right-winger issue! Take it to some other thread!
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