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View Poll Results: Would you rather pay $5000 more in private premiums than $2000 more in health care taxes?
Yes, paying more to the insurance companies ensure that I am free 27 29.67%
No, paying less into a Medicare-style system is the sensible thing to do 64 70.33%
Voters: 91. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-10-2019, 06:31 PM
 
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Government isn't your mommy or daddy, wetnurse or baby-sitter. How much suffering at the hands of socialism does it take to wake you up.
Canada is not socialist, yet seems to do quite well with universal healthcare. Have you not been following this thread?
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Old 06-10-2019, 06:42 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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I thought you were from Norway. Regardless, I prefer not to pay for other peopleís stuff.

What stuff are you paying for? Single payer is one big health insurance pool for everyone. Currently, you are paying for the Medicare recipients, Medicaid recipients, the uninsured, and yourself. But hey! Keep listening to the garbage from Fox News!
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Old 06-10-2019, 06:48 PM
 
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I opted out of it. My choice. Crappy coverage especially pandering to Obamacare. I stopped auto disbursements to the union. I donít want to be a part of it. I am salaried as opposed to getting paid by the trip. Due to my seniority. I work as much as I want.
That's interesting.
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Old 06-10-2019, 06:52 PM
 
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What stuff are you paying for? Single payer is one big health insurance pool for everyone. Currently, you are paying for the Medicare recipients, Medicaid recipients, the uninsured, and yourself. But hey! Keep listening to the garbage from Fox News!
Paid by involuntarily separating you from your money. I want to opt out. I can take better care of me than government.
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Old 06-10-2019, 06:52 PM
 
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Government isn't your mommy or daddy, wetnurse or baby-sitter. How much suffering at the hands of socialism does it take to wake you up.
And you would of course be able to explicitly enumerate those "sufferings" at the hands of socialism so the rest of us have some idea of what in hades you're going on about?
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Old 06-10-2019, 06:56 PM
 
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Paid by involuntarily separating you from your money. I want to opt out. I can take better care of me than government.

Single payer does not involve the government in any aspect other than reimbursement of funds to healthcare providers.

Your private insurance provider will and does have more intrusive 3rd party control over your welfare than the single payer model allows.

https://www.justice.org/sites/defaul...nceTactics.pdf

You're only fooling yourself with the mistaken belief by paying for individual insurance you've got more control over your well being.
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Old 06-10-2019, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Paid by involuntarily separating you from your money. I want to opt out. I can take better care of me than government.
Keep paying your high health insurance premiums because those health insurance company CEOs want to buy a yacht, private jet, and a third home. That is paying for other people's stuff!

The average CEO makes $18 million annually while one out of every five Americans is struggling with medical debt.

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Old 06-10-2019, 07:17 PM
 
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Keep paying your high health insurance premiums because those health insurance company CEOs want to buy a yacht, private jet, and a third home. That is paying for stuff for other people!

The average CEO makes $18 million annually while one out of every five Americans is struggling with medical debt.
AND don't forget this little addendum:

https://www.healthcare-now.org/blog/...-retiring-ceo/

Those insurance CEO's get bonuses the higher the claim denial rate they achieve.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-h...urer_b_3137831
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Old 06-10-2019, 09:08 PM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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No medical practice is required to accept Medicare reimbursement. While most do, they limit the number of patients dependent upon Medicare reimbursement.

Private insurance reimburses at a higher rate.

Traditional Medicare does not pay for everything. This is why many have private Medi-gap supplemental plans.

Advantage Plans May be a better option for reasonably healthy people who are willing to accept narrow networks of providers.

The use of private supplemental insurance is increasingly common in countries with Universal Healthcare.
I'd say "some" not "they" limit . . . Some doctors practices are mainly Medicare patients. After all, we do get sicker as we get older.

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When I turn 65 I will have paid into Medicare for 50 years.

In absence of that credit, how much might my traditional Medicare premium be?

Figure I will also need a Medigap supplemental Plan that might cost $350 +/- month to help pay for that which Medicare does not. I may also have to pay an upfront out of pocket annual fee to join a medical practice Concierge Program that will accept a Medicare reimbursement, depending on geography.

I took a break from cable news. Instead I watch reruns on HULU. I am bingeing on 15 seasons of ER. The first season began in 1995. Itís fascinating the challenges faced by the healthcare systems nearly 25 years ago ( as portrayed) are the same ones that continue to challenge us, today.
Exactly! I paid in for ~45 years. I had just turned 16 when Medicare was passed into law. And you (or your spouse) MUST pay in for at least 10 years. Yes, I know there are exceptions, but I'm talking about the average retiree. So I don't know how this is going to work.
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It is calculated that the average man, woman and child consumes ~$10K per annum in health care. It's obvious that a $2000/yr tax will not pay for a worker and his/her dependents.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/...345-per-person

I favor a UHC for many reasons, particularly equity. I think health care should be provided, just like education is. However, I have no illusions that it will be cheap. Some of the proposed plans call for no deductibles, no co-pays, inclusion of dental and nursing home. This is going to be expensive. And if minimum wage is raised, as it should be, that will raise the wages of many health care workers, particularly CNAs, CMAs, phlebotomists, all the "entry-level" type jobs in health care. It will also put inflationary pressure on RNs and LPNs. It's not going to be cheap, or even inexpensive.
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Old 06-10-2019, 09:27 PM
 
Location: Alberta, Canada
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Good for you. You pay over $6 for a gallon of gas.
Locally, prices for gasoline are $1.15 per liter. At 3.78 liters to a US gallon, that comes out to $4.35 per US gallon. That's in Canadian dollars, of course; converted to US dollars (using today's rate of CAD$1 = USD$0.75) we're paying USD$3.26 per US gallon.

A long way from $6 a gallon.
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