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Old 08-09-2019, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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Originally Posted by KathrynAragon View Post
Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. If he hadn't gone to El Paso, he would have been criticized for that as well. You and I both know it's true.

The two month old was accompanied by several family members by the way. Because it's also hard for a two month old to actually get anywhere by themselves.
Say what you will, but when citizens refuse to meet with the President of the United States, that says a lot. When Obama traveled to Roseburg Oregon after the Umpqua Community College massacre, he traveled into the NRA Central of Oregon, and was met with massive protests by gun rights advocates, but he still managed to meet with 40 victims and family members. There were no reports of any of them refusing to meet him. That's a little ahead of Trump's one plus a baby. Of course Obama was elected by a majority of Americans, not a minority.

 
Old 08-09-2019, 03:19 PM
 
Location: In your head, rent free
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The El Paso told the FBI this morning that he waa targeting Mexicans.
Didn't we know that the day of the shooting?
 
Old 08-09-2019, 03:21 PM
 
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Say what you will, but when citizens refuse to meet with the President of the United States, that says a lot. When Obama traveled to Roseburg Oregon after the Umpqua Community College massacre, he traveled into the NRA Central of Oregon, and was met with massive protests by gun rights advocates, but he still managed to meet with 40 victims and family members. That's a little ahead of Trump's one plus a baby.
I think it says a lot more about these particular citizens and their biases than it does the President.
 
Old 08-09-2019, 04:22 PM
 
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Didn't we know that the day of the shooting?
It was in his manifesto, but now the FBI has confirmed that he has said he waa targeting Mexicans during questioning yesterday.

Remember -- trump called Mexicans rapists, murderers, and drug dealers, and animals.
 
Old 08-09-2019, 04:43 PM
 
Location: Limbo
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trump called Mexicans rapists, murderers, and drug dealers, and animals.
I doubt it.
 
Old 08-09-2019, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Nowhere
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It was in his manifesto, but now the FBI has confirmed that he has said he waa targeting Mexicans during questioning yesterday.

Remember -- trump called Mexicans rapists, murderers, and drug dealers, and animals.
He said SOME of them coming here were murderers and rapists. A true statement.

But: "TRUTH IS THE NEW HATE SPEECH".
 
Old 08-09-2019, 06:25 PM
 
Location: Wonderland
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Originally Posted by Cloudy Dayz View Post
Say what you will, but when citizens refuse to meet with the President of the United States, that says a lot. When Obama traveled to Roseburg Oregon after the Umpqua Community College massacre, he traveled into the NRA Central of Oregon, and was met with massive protests by gun rights advocates, but he still managed to meet with 40 victims and family members. There were no reports of any of them refusing to meet him. That's a little ahead of Trump's one plus a baby. Of course Obama was elected by a majority of Americans, not a minority.
Citizens of what country? Do you have a breakdown of patients by citizenship? Honestly, I'm curious and if you do, please share.

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Old 08-09-2019, 06:36 PM
 
Location: Wonderland
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Originally Posted by Cloudy Dayz View Post
Say what you will, but when citizens refuse to meet with the President of the United States, that says a lot. When Obama traveled to Roseburg Oregon after the Umpqua Community College massacre, he traveled into the NRA Central of Oregon, and was met with massive protests by gun rights advocates, but he still managed to meet with 40 victims and family members. There were no reports of any of them refusing to meet him. That's a little ahead of Trump's one plus a baby. Of course Obama was elected by a majority of Americans, not a minority.
Oh and there weren't 40 victims in that shooting. There were nine injured. Maybe you meant that he met with the injured and their family members. As Trump did in Dayton.

And actually I can't find anything stating he met with any victims, only that he met with some family members. Do you have a source for this? Thanks.
https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/...chool-shooting

And apparently, at least one of these family members DID choose not to meet with Obama.
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The White House did not provide a list of family members who attended the meeting with the president, but at least one family publicly said they would forego the meeting due to the president's position on gun control.

"On principle, I find that I am in disagreement with his policies on gun control, and therefore, we will not be attending the visit," Stacy Bolan, whose daughter was shot and survived the shooting, told Fox News Channel.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pres...ry?id=34378256
 
Old 08-09-2019, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Wonderland
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I think it says a lot more about these particular citizens and their biases than it does the President.
People chose not to meet with Obama after a school shooting in Oregon as well - see above post and link.
 
Old 08-09-2019, 06:46 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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I doubt it.
You DOUBT it?
Well, you are particularly well-informed to engage in political debate. Let’s pretend that video evidence that was shown nationwide over and over again doesn’t exist. Its easy to support anyone if you chose to ignore or avoid facts of certain things they’ve said or done that a normal human would find distasteful.
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