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Old 08-11-2019, 12:50 PM
 
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So how does one change the home culture of a poor family with a single uneducated parent from a high crime neigborhood, easier said than done.
You can't via government funding.
Notice though that the age to start school is getting younger and younger.
3 years old now.

Drastic move: take the kids at birth and have the government raise them.


And that's why I say throwing more money at schools won't solve the problem that starts in the home.

And with more "non citizens" entering the country you will have even worse situations at home as some of these parents never made it past elementary school and cannot read nor write.
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Old 08-11-2019, 01:50 PM
 
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There are 15,746 school districts in the United States.

In every single school district, Blacks perform at the bottom - every single one. They don't outperform Hispanics, even in areas where there are large numbers of recent immigrants and ESL learners.

What is the more likely explanation for this? That Blacks, all across the country, are oppressed and/or have a poor culture? Or that different people are actually different and have varying intellectual capabilities?

So many people want to say that it's an issue of values. How can it be possible that there are no school districts in the country where Blacks have values on par with any one else? Why is it that even in areas of where Blacks have more wealth than the national average that they still rank at the bottom in academics?
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Old 08-11-2019, 01:51 PM
 
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Teachers are held responsible when the kids fail. A higher salary/bonus won't help that issue.
And being held accountable for something out of your control is a huge incentive NOT to take a job in a poor school district with consistently failing students.

A lot may take that job because there's nothing else available come August or they are first year teachers and will take any job to get something on their resume.
And they then spend the year looking for better opportunities.
You have ratted my cage.

I have 2 kids who are 25 year plus teachers. A couple of nieces, a nephew, a sil, a bil and goodness knows how many cousins who are teachers.

And all 3 of my grandsons are currently i grad school to be teachers.

None of them do it for the money. And many of them teach with people who have no business in a classroom.

Time was, teachers came form the top 10% of college graduates. Now it's the bottom 10%.

And, one relative teaches in a pre school. Yes, 4 year old people can be taught how to behave at school. And how to solve problems in a group. And how to identify their very own emotions and how to control them. Takes time. And a very knowledgable and committed staff.

Another works in a middle school environment with kids who cannot make it in public school. She makes 25K a year. But that alternative school accepted her 2nd grader the second time he left his public school classroom and was walking home. Nobody missed him for 2 hours. He was bored because he had already read every book in the room and finished every workbook the teacher had. His teacher did not have the time to spend on him with 28 other kids in the room.
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Old 08-11-2019, 02:10 PM
 
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Read Ronald Takaki's "The Harmful Myth of Asian Superiority". There are plenty of Asian students who have medicore performances.

Schools in poor areas often have substandard teachers. Bad teachers and bad resources are going to lead to bad student performance. Even Republicans should be able to see this.
How do you know that these teachers are substandard? What metric are you using to deem them as such? And are all of the teachers "bad?" Or only some of them? If so, how many?
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Old 08-11-2019, 02:14 PM
 
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Read Ronald Takaki's "The Harmful Myth of Asian Superiority". There are plenty of Asian students who have medicore performances.

Schools in poor areas often have substandard teachers. Bad teachers and bad resources are going to lead to bad student performance. Even Republicans should be able to see this.
Asian students consistently score at the top academically, on average. That's the key here - averages. Of course there are going to be low performing Asians. Who would expect that all Asians would score at the top? That's not how averages work.

If you don't understand what an average is then you have no business even discussing the issue.
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Old 08-11-2019, 02:26 PM
 
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The metrics for school performance include many factors besides student test scores. They likely have less qualified teachers and admins, no AP classes, a whole host of variables which skew lower besides just test scores.
Okay, there's an answer. But really: do you think that there's much interest for AP classes amongst these corralled students?
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Old 08-11-2019, 02:29 PM
 
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The schools need to stop buying crap from Pearson. Use that money for smaller class sizes with excellent teachers.
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Old 08-11-2019, 02:29 PM
 
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Poor performance and behavior might not be 100% due to hereditary but it's at least 50% or more. No one can fix that.

Besides why should anyone else want to try to fix other people's kids? Your only moral duty is to your own or those closest in relation to you.
I'm trying to turn them into taxpayers. That's not likely to happen without an education.
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Old 08-11-2019, 02:37 PM
 
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It's a lose/lose proposition to think that throwing more money at schools will fix a problem that starts in the home.

If the parents don't care, the kids don't care.
If the kids don't care it will be reflected in the schools academic standings.
Fortunately, there are a good number of kids in this situation who DO care. I often ask the high achievers how old they were when they decided to excel at school. Most say sixth grade. Sometimes the self-raised children do the best of all. I believe that it's because they know that no one has their back and if they want to make it, they have to do it alone. Those are the kids that motivate me to work so hard.
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Old 08-11-2019, 02:42 PM
 
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A lot of underperforming families put stress on schools. All a performing family needs is textbooks.
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