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Hmmm, well we'll have to agree to disagree. If a person chooses to commit a crime, they know they are giving up their rights. Then they have no rights for anyone to infringe upon. On the other hand, I, as a lawful person, have my rights intact, and "they shall not be infringed"
Good discussion though......
Then let's meet the middle on how expansive that clause is. Your first gun... No taxes, no insurance, no registration fee... Just registering it in a database. Your right to bear arms has not been infringed.
Every gun after that, there are taxes, insurance, and registration fees you have to pay before you get the gun.
Then let's meet the middle on how expansive that clause is. Your first gun... No taxes, no insurance, no registration fee... Just registering it in a database. Your right to bear arms has not been infringed.
Every gun after that, there are taxes, insurance, and registration fees you have to pay before you get the gun.
Your first comment in public, no infringement.
For everything else you say, you must apply for a permit and pay a tax.
Upon completion of a background investigation - not a perfunctory records check but a reasonable background investigation including psychiatric evaluation and online activities - a citizen would be authorized to purchase or possess bolt, pump, or lever action rifles and shotguns of limited quantity and one single or double action revolver.
Does owning multiple handguns or guns somehow make someone more dangerous?
Here is a quick quiz for you
Joe or Jane Doe normal citizens with no record and are peaceful own 20 handguns for various sport and home defense or whatever they want them for.
Johnny has one gun, gets angry at the world one day and starts shooting.
Melvin a drug dealer only has one gun he bought off another criminal, he doesn't care about guns themselves just that they protect his drug trade, he already lives outside the law so gun laws don't mean anything.
Who is really a threat?, Joe and Jane with a big collection, or Johnny and Melvin who only have one gun?
Then let's meet the middle on how expansive that clause is. Your first gun... No taxes, no insurance, no registration fee... Just registering it in a database. Your right to bear arms has not been infringed.
Every gun after that, there are taxes, insurance, and registration fees you have to pay before you get the gun.
Well, there you go again, applying the right to bear arms to a single gun. So it is either plural or it is not.
Does owning multiple handguns or guns somehow make someone more dangerous?
Here is a quick quiz for you
Joe or Jane Doe normal citizens with no record and are peaceful own 20 handguns for various sport and home defense or whatever they want them for.
Johnny has one gun, gets angry at the world one day and starts shooting.
Melvin a drug dealer only has one gun he bought off another criminal, he doesn't care about guns themselves just that they protect his drug trade, he already lives outside the law so gun laws don't mean anything.
Who is really a threat?, Joe and Jane with a big collection, or Johnny and Melvin who only have one gun?
The goal is to severely restrict the access to guns for the bad guys by significantly reducing the number of type of guns in circulation. It works. Everywhere.
That's fine. I hope you have fun paying the $10k fine for each unregistered gun. I also hope you get hit for a few years in jail too for running an unlicensed gun store -- why else would you need 20 guns on premise? And finally, I hope it was all worth it when you're permanently banned from owning any guns due to your prior gun related offenses
Oh, just saw this...a quick response before I'm done for today....
Is the fine gonna be $10k, you're sure? Or are you guessing at a number?
I never said I had 20, no way.... But you must not know many gun people.....20 guns is a very reasonable number for most I know. All legal. Esp if you have a CCR lic....
I wish I could take you to meet some gun enthusiasts..it might not change your mind on anything, but you'd see a bunch of good people passionate about their sport/pastime/hobby
You'd love meeting this one guy I know, he freaked out the other day after doing an ammo count and realized he had slipped below his magic number of 26,000. You have to register to buy ammo now in Cali , so a quick drive took care of his problem....
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