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"Women who are vehemently pro-choice sometimes argue that "the men make the laws and abortion doesn't affect men, so they have no right to ban or even restrict it."
Why do some conservatives think that liberals should be tolerant of their beliefs but may not be tolerant themselves.
How's that for a simple change to the OP that you made a big deal about? Same issue and same fix. Why do you come after me for doing the same thing you did?
Why is murder a criminal act? What was the basis for its becoming a criminal act? It would be hard to convince me that it was based on anything other than the religious beliefs of our ancestors who identified it as a criminal act.
If what you're saying is true, then atheists and the nonreligious would believe that murder is acceptable. It doesn't make sense. Not everything stems from religious beliefs. Humans develop a sense of right and wrong without religious influence.
you're probably right.. but those religious beliefs certainly weren't christianity.. I'd venture to say those religious beliefs started WAY before christianity was even around.
I would guess that sometime durring the shift from nomadic humans towards civilization is where such beliefs started... Being governed by rules that they didn't have before when roaming free as hunter gatherers.. When seeking out an authority on such rules, implementing "religion" was a means of providing a story in context for following such rules. How else would you introduce a golden rule concept to people who have for thousands of years killed others before they killed them? When civilization began to take hold, I could see the need for a "training course" of sorts needed for people to understand issues in a civilized society.. Where a person disagreeing with you or angry at you isn't going to kill you.. so you don't have to kill them.. the context of human interaction changed with civilization... does it make religion the basis for such moral beliefs? perhaps.. your guess is as good as mine.. I wouldn't be surprised. But does it mean that human minds must have a religious doctrine to be able to understand why it isn't ok to kill other people in a civilized society? of course not.. and because that is what was used it therefore validates the absolute truth of that religion? of course not... it is what it is...
Thank you for your opinion on this. I wasn't advocating the teaching of religious doctrine. I was simply trying to make the point that some of what should be taught may have its origins in religious beliefs, and used the example that murder is a criminal act to illustrate the point.
If what you're saying is true, then atheists and the nonreligious would believe that murder is acceptable. It doesn't make sense. Not everything stems from religious beliefs. Humans develop a sense of right and wrong without religious influence.
Pro-lifers do believe in women's rights. The issue is that pro-lifers feel that the fetus is deserving of its own rights. And, actually, even most pro-choicers feel that the fetus should attain its own rights at some point during the pregnancy.
You say "women get pregnant" as if the mere scientific fact that females become pregnant is sexist. It's biology and beyond anyone's control.
Women and men are respected differently. You may obsessively focus on a lack of respect in one situation, whereas a man may fall "victim" to a lack of respect in another situation and you may not even realize it.
As far as the workforce, I have to agree with you somewhat. But, there are several reasons for it beyond simple discrimination - men and women going into different fields, men being more willing to devote more time to work, etc.
You also have affirmative action to help you in many areas.
I say "women get pregnant" as if the fact that they do is sexist. Well it is not sexist. Unfortunately, women are the ones who are cursed with getting pregnant. This is why I support the choice. They should have control over it.
I dont know how I feel about limiting abortions during the pregnancies. Like you are right. There are some pro choicers who think it is wrong after 20 weeks. As of right now, I am for unrestricted abortion. No limits on it whatsoever.
But you never told me why you are Agnostic. Do you prefer to not tell? LOL
I have a secret to tell you too....I was once a believer too....
I agree that it wasn't the Democrat's idea to recall Gray Davis. That was an effort on the part of the Republicans.
Thank you. And you've helped me prove my original point which was that it's amusing to see some conservatives complain about "activist judges" regarding same-sex marriage in California when most of those judges were appointed by Republicans, including Schwarzenegger.
I say "women get pregnant" as if the fact that they do is sexist. Well it is not sexist. Unfortunately, women are the ones who are cursed with getting pregnant. This is why I support the choice. They should have control over it. .
I would agree for the most part, but I would say that same curse is also a blessing if you want to use religious words.
I accept what you're saying. In the future, however, you may want to use the word "I" a little more often and "we", "us", and "our" a little less often. Here's what you said:
Conservatives do not care if two gay men want to have a private marriage ceremony, we just do not want you to force us give up some of our tax dollars so government can support and endorse that marriage.
Not trying to pick a fight. Just pointing it out.
As a rule, "conservatives" don't care what people do, including if two gay men want a friend to convene a marriage ceremony over them. And true conservatives will not want activist judges ruling in favor of banning abortions either, that is up to the people, the legislator and the states to decide.
This conservative would be FINE with his tax dollars being spent on condom distribution and oral contraception. Competely fine.
Just no abortions
Why should I have to pay for condoms, or "the pill" just so some person can have guilt free sex? Buy your own damn condom or pills or condom, or IUD, or porno movie, or whatever floats your boat!!
I say "women get pregnant" as if the fact that they do is sexist. Well it is not sexist. Unfortunately, women are the ones who are cursed with getting pregnant. This is why I support the choice. They should have control over it.
I dont know how I feel about limiting abortions during the pregnancies. Like you are right. There are some pro choicers who think it is wrong after 20 weeks. As of right now, I am for unrestricted abortion. No limits on it whatsoever.
20 weeks or so is when some studies indicate the fetus can feel pain if an abortion is performed.
However, there are some neurological responses as early as the 12th week.
Also, the heartbeat comes at around the 18th day of pregnancy and the brain and spine develop starting around the 6th week.
These reasons are likely why there is a split among the pro-choicers.
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