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Old 11-16-2009, 01:49 AM
 
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Forget Jesus...for christ sake, he's gone, he's dead..

The only way for this to work is for people like you to realize that if you have a public health care system that deviates away from private sector healthcare you will actually have a cheaper system. The system you have now is all profit driven, private hospitalisation, only concerned about the bottom line, return to shareholders.

Do you care about the average american who can not afford this type of coverage? I've hear'd that this is at least 800 to 1000 dollars a month per family. Is this true? this is ridiculous.

How could a low income family in the US afford this? Obviously, most don't go to the doctor. This is crazy by many standards of the world. If you are against public health care in the US, you must be one of the fortunate people who is provided health care through your job, or wealthy enough to provide your own healthcare.

So, at what wage do you have to make to have health care?
By the way, the system is profit driven because doctors and nurses like to be paid as well for their many years of medical school.
Doctors graduate at 30 with 400k of education bills, and 200k a year in liability insurance due to lawyers and a lack of tort reform.
It costs to give medical care.
California tried socialized medicine for low income families and our state is bankrupted from it.

Under socialized medicine you'll get rashioned care like in Canada or maybe no care and you die from your cancer before treatment.

We can't buy everyone a house, car, insurance and a life.
We could probably cut the cost of insurace in half by allowing competition across state lines and making major changes to lawsuits allowed against doctors and hospitals.

For your information, since Democrats took power there has been a drastic drop in medical school and a sharp increase in law school, especially in the area of tax law. Go figure!

Most doctors I know are going to retire if Obama gets his socialized medicine wet dream passed.
We are going to have our health care providers be faith healers out of Cuba the way this is going IMO.
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Old 11-16-2009, 01:54 AM
 
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Who controls private medical in the US now? Do you think it is already the highest cost in the world aready? Why would you think if left alone they (private health care industry) would get cheaper? They have to pay a dividend to their share holders. Do you think these private health company's want to enable all people to come to their hospitals, or their doctors. Only with top notch medical coverage are these people allowed. How good do you feel about that?
It costs so darn much because Democrats allow their lawyer donors to always sue the hell out of doctors and hospitals.
To defend any lawsuit in court costs in the beginning 100k and goes up as a trial starts.
It costs and insurance company about 250k to even defend a minor case where the doctor is proven totally innocent.
Because of the cost of lawyers and trials, the insurance companies don't defend doctors, they settle everything and THAT is where all your high costs in medical care are coming from.
You don't see lots of other countries have our lawsuit troubles against the doctors. It needs to stop here in the USA.
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Old 11-16-2009, 02:00 AM
 
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Who controls private medical in the US now? Do you think it is already the highest cost in the world aready? Why would you think if left alone they (private health care industry) would get cheaper? They have to pay a dividend to their share holders. Do you think these private health company's want to enable all people to come to their hospitals, or their doctors. Only with top notch medical coverage are these people allowed. How good do you feel about that?
And all the lawsuits also cause doctors to do a ton of expensive non-needed tests to show they did everything to not get sued as often.

Get the lawyers off the doctors and hospitals and you get you premiums drastically reduced.
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Old 11-16-2009, 02:02 AM
 
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By the way, the system is profit driven because doctors and nurses like to be paid as well for their many years of medical school.
Doctors graduate at 30 with 400k of education bills, and 200k a year in liability insurance due to lawyers and a lack of tort reform.
It costs to give medical care.
California tried socialized medicine for low income families and our state is bankrupted from it.

Under socialized medicine you'll get rashioned care like in Canada or maybe no care and you die from your cancer before treatment.

We can't buy everyone a house, car, insurance and a life.
We could probably cut the cost of insurace in half by allowing competition across state lines and making major changes to lawsuits allowed agaisnt doctors and hospitals.

For your information, since Democrats took power there has been a drastic drop in medical school and a sharp increase in law school, especially in the area of tax law. Go figure!

Most doctors I know are going to retire if Obama gets his socialized medicine wet dream passed.
We are going to have our health care providers be faith healers out of Cuba the way this is going IMO.
Only your country allows lawyers to screw everything up! Your doctors spend 200,000 per year on liability insurance. The rest of the world don't sue themselves, that is why your health care is costing what you are so screwed up about.

I live in Canada, and every serious situation that my family has been involved in has cost no extra money to me or my extended family. Canada is not socialistic. We pay higher taxes than most in the US. But..we do have a good health care system. And, our less fortunate people here in Canada are somewhat taken care of. I guess people there just hope for the best and wouldn't get sick.

I guess you haven't got sick yet, or you have a good coverage. I wonder if your coverage covers every detail when you get sick?
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Old 11-16-2009, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma City
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If I thought my Doctor's main priority was his bottom line, I'd find another doctor. Yesterday! Good doctors and nurses aren't in it for the money. They are in it to heal people and make a difference in this World.
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Old 11-16-2009, 01:15 PM
 
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Only your country allows lawyers to screw everything up! Your doctors spend 200,000 per year on liability insurance. The rest of the world don't sue themselves, that is why your health care is costing what you are so screwed up about.

I live in Canada, and every serious situation that my family has been involved in has cost no extra money to me or my extended family. Canada is not socialistic. We pay higher taxes than most in the US. But..we do have a good health care system. And, our less fortunate people here in Canada are somewhat taken care of. I guess people there just hope for the best and wouldn't get sick.

I guess you haven't got sick yet, or you have a good coverage. I wonder if your coverage covers every detail when you get sick?
Some good points in here, it's very hard to sue the government, one could say that Canadians take a chance in the sense that if something worth suing over were needed that you might not get anything.

As well you take your chances in a Socialized universal healthcare system with waiting lists, the Supreme Court of Canada even ruled that their was evidence of people dying on waiting lists for free care and government could not just let people die and that they could buy private healthcare:
CTV News | Supreme Court strikes down Que. medicare law (http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1118315110253_28/?hub=TopStories - broken link)
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Old 11-16-2009, 03:48 PM
 
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He probably wished that he'd had it.
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Old 11-17-2009, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma City
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Dude. the Bible is a LIVING document...

There have been many great posts on here already. I suggest you read them all.

The Bible said not to steal. Never said to take from the rich and give to the poor.

The Bible said to give to others, it did not say to force others to give. Because forcing something from someone is stealing..... DUH
What a wonderfully naive post! Anyone who has studied the teachings of Christ would understand that Christ taught it was the moral "christian" thing to do to care for the sick, hungry and the poor. True it is a choice. I always find it ironic that Republicans claim to own Christianity and that the US is a "christian" nation yet these same people reject the basic teachings of Christ?!
I guess it would be a waste of time to point out that greed is ONE of the 7 deadly sins?
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Old 11-17-2009, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Vermont
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I don't think so. He did not think highly of moneychangers or profiteers.
Which means he would have been on the side of the insurance and drug companies?

Hmmm.
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Old 11-17-2009, 08:42 AM
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Stick around. The left winger haters are real skilled on posting the stupidest topics you will ever see.
Apparently "Hate" = the desire for everyone to have health care.

Interesting.
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