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I don't think the uninsured are that way because no one's helping them. How could anyone truly bail out the medical expenses of so many? We aren't organized for that.
It is all due to skyrocketing prices of medicine and medical services, that we need insurance. In colonial times people paid the doctor a sack of potatoes or whatever that was a lot less than what we could afford now.
That is why the government has to step in to make it happen. A non-profit agency would do...but unfortunately, we tried that. It hasn't worked.
BTW, Jesus owned nothing and carried nothing. He had his disciples own nothing and carry nothing, not even a staff. To be a Christian means to be "Christ-like". So, being a rich profiteering Christian is a total oxymoron! (And if you are a Christian who likes to use the Bible to back up your capitalist lifestyle, please don't say, well, times have changed, we can't live like that. You can't pick and choose what is palatable and what isn't. Because in doing so, you might as well make up your own religion.)
I doubt he'd approve of all the profiteering (even if it is legal) given all of those things he said against the rich and for the poor.
Sure I wish someone would pay for my food and my house. I wll send you my bank routing number. You will take care of this for me won't you? Or are you just selfish!!!!
If you were UNABLE to care for yourself, you would not expect people in this country to just leave you to die in the gutter, correct? Why can't you see that same charity for others who have no healthcare?
(Before you say it- YES- there are those that will take advantage...but that is NOT the case for most. Also, Jesus never said to do a backgound check on recipients before you give.)
Why do so many speak as though 'we' do not help/provide for those that need it?
Food, shelter, heath care and even a small amount of spending money for other items IS already available to our needy.
Did Jesus go to the Roman governor and try and get him to force people to be taxed to fund healthcare or charity for people? Or did he instead go to regular people and encourage them to voluntarily be charitable?
And how's that individual helping working out?
If you talk about liberals, I'll talk about the Rs yelling, I've got mine, the heck with you. Look at how they feel about food stamps, welfare, the homeless.
I think this has to be about the stupiest topic I have ever seen and I have seen quite a few: 2,000 years ago and today are not the same....who knows how he would have thought.
Nita
You don't think there's any way in the current health care debate that Christ's teachings could be of use? His constant talk of caring for the poor and sick and treating others better? The story of the good samaritan?
He would have looked at how those on the bottom are treated, or those around the world are treated and abused through dozens of layers of corporate beauracracy (because we seem to think that makes it ok), and then he would have put us all down, thats what I'm guessing.
Oh, I also hope you don't support those right wingers that support a strict constructionist view of the constitution. Cause if you are going to argue 2,000 years ago and today aren't the same, than you can't argue that 200 years ago, and today are the same and that we can guess how the founders would act or respond to our current issues.
If you were UNABLE to care for yourself, you would not expect people in this country to just leave you to die in the gutter, correct? Why can't you see that same charity for others who have no healthcare?
(Before you say it- YES- there are those that will take advantage...but that is NOT the case for most. Also, Jesus never said to do a backgound check on recipients before you give.)
No one dies in the gutter in the US, this is not Calcutta. We do take care of the indigent it is called Medicaid.
By the way we a re not a theocracy, who cares what Jesus would say?
Oh please. Where did you get those figures from, Rush Limbaugh? And why are you keeping score. And what does "contribute" have to do with anything? It's one thing to send a check -- it's another thing to actually care enough to do something for someone -- you can send a check to a charity and see your next door neighbor's child go without food or supervision. Don't you see that?
It is astonishing how truly uninformed people are. but then again it shouldn't considering the truly silly ideas they post.
"However, conservatives gave about 30 percent more money per year to private charitable causes, even though his study found liberal families earned an average of 6 percent more per year in income than did conservative families."
Umm wasn't it you who posted something about being selfish? Now whi is keeping score? Pathetic.
Please do us a favor and know what you are talking about before you post.
The ignorance of some liberals/socialists is higher than the highest mountains of the world..
For they do not understand the difference between helping a needy person themselves and that of forcing someone else to help a needy person while they sit on the couch and eat corporate Oreos and watch corporate television.
ah another inept conservative statement stereotyping a group they don't like
just as bad as the liberal ones
sad that there are those that do not understand the difference between having good paying jobs, reasonably priced housing, and adequate resources for the poor, and forcing people to go out and help the needy.
If a poor person who is weak and small if saw a woman being raped would you expect them to do nothing? or would should they run and call 9/11?
If you watch those in power enjoy tax cuts galore while they ship our jobs overseas and increase prices on goods, and make life difficult for those on the bottom would you encourage our government to give the powerful more, or would you vote in people who would not allow this exploitation.
ah another inept conservative statement stereotyping a group they don't like
just as bad as the liberal ones
sad that there are those that do not understand the difference between having good paying jobs, reasonably priced housing, and adequate resources for the poor, and forcing people to go out and help the needy.
If a poor person who is weak and small if saw a woman being raped would you expect them to do nothing? or would should they run and call 9/11?
If you watch those in power enjoy tax cuts galore while they ship our jobs overseas and increase prices on goods, and make life difficult for those on the bottom would you encourage our government to give the powerful more, or would you vote in people who would not allow this exploitation.
This is the false choice that Obama keeps presenting and the people finally are seeing the fallacy. We do have safety nets in place, Medicaid, Medicare, food stamps etc. If one wants to argue they are not enough fine but to say we as a society do nothing undercuts any following argument one may make.
An finally the tax cuts the government gives actually helps create jobs. If business is taxed too heavily no jobs are created. Look at Ireland when it was the tiger of Europe. They cut taxes and business and employment took off. There was even a reverse migration for a while.
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