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Old 07-14-2019, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Ro cha cha, NY
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Bill W's method is wrong. Something like 90% of Americans became alcoholics during the great depression. Alcohol abuse is a problem caused by STRUCTURAL AND SOCIETAL ISSUES. It had genetic components certainly, but environmental stressors allow those traits to ultimately MANIFEST.

I come from a long line of alcoholics on both sides of the family. My Grandfather began drinking alcohol at age 13 to cope with constant psychological abuse from family members calling their own sister/cousin a "filthy *****" and him a "cursed spawn" on the regular basis. In his generation it was quite common to grow up with extended family and some kind of abuse.

Would he have become accustomed to daily hard liquor consumption at an early age were it not for this? Genetics ot not - Probably not.

OP alcoholism is just like any other compulsion. You are dealing with life troubles through an outlet. Switch to a new outlet if you cannot remove the stressors.
That's completely false. Where do you get such misinformation. 90%, my lord, that's not even worth a reply. Alcohol abuse is not a problem caused by structural and societal issues. My lord people, enough with the nonsense. This drivel is too much. Alcohol has been around since BC. Alcoholism has been around for the same amount of time. There wasn't enough information at that time to treat addicts/ alcoholism like we do today. Just like society, we have progressed. Things have been studied. Medical professionals almost all agree that alcoholism is a real thing. You make no sense at all. I would suggest that you contact an addiction specialist since your beliefs are so odd. Too many people sputtering nonsense as if it were facts.
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Old 07-14-2019, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Middle America
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It would be foolish to consider AA 100 percent of your rehabilitation. It is not a rehab center. It is a place where drunks help other drunks. And are surprisingly successful.
Of course. It's a peer-led support group, which is overall a model that has a well-supported track record of being successful at what it aims to do.


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While some people find AA and its Blue Book effective, others think the tenets are dated and somewhat silly ... but go to meetings anyway. Take the parts that work for you, leave the rest.
I find this to be an overall decent attitude for all mental health therapeutics, in general.


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AA is a tool. Versatile and flexible. And it should be one of the tools in your toolbox as you take on this massive project in your life.
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I remember one veteran at my old blue-collar meeting who used to say, "AA has nothing to do with my sobriety. I come here for the drama and the socializing." Without personal responsibility and resolve, AA can't do much for you. If you choose the path of sobriety, AA meetings can provide plenty of comfort, guidance and companionship along the way.
For some, though...the comfort, guidance, and companionship can have EVERYTHING to do with their sobriety.
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Old 07-14-2019, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Middle America
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"Empathy" and "listening" are "nice" but they accomplish nothing.
Actually, completely false!
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Old 07-14-2019, 01:09 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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Exactly. A ton of ignorance on this thread. But hey, some people can stand on their high horse and feel superior to those dirty little addicts. Because if they can control it, the whole world should be able to. Just so completely ridiculous. This thread is anything but help. Someone comes here for help. He stated that he can't stop, and instead of helping him, people are trying to make him feel inferior/ sad. What a jerk off thread. I feel sorry for the guy asking for help, and gets this.
I couldn't agree more that's why I had to leave the thread in the beginning - it was about to get ugly. I think the whole thing has been derailed and we should get back to trying to help the OP, not insult and degrade him/her.

Like I said on page one, it is a disease OP. People have to get help for diseases. I would tell my story but I'm not in the mood for insults and shaming. You were brave for telling your story and I'm sorry you haven't had good responses or many people trying to help you. If you need to talk send me a DM. If you're still drinking try to stay at home, if you have one, so you'll be safe from getting beat up.

I hope you're ok.
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Old 07-14-2019, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Middle America
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I've never tried AA but every alcoholic I know who has says it's ineffective and/or depressing.
I have a number of clients who swear by it. Mileage definitely varies.
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Old 07-14-2019, 01:14 PM
 
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OP should seek treatment for his/her consumption issues.
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Old 07-14-2019, 01:39 PM
 
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That's completely false. Where do you get such misinformation. 90%, my lord, that's not even worth a reply. Alcohol abuse is not a problem caused by structural and societal issues. My lord people, enough with the nonsense. This drivel is too much. Alcohol has been around since BC. Alcoholism has been around for the same amount of time. There wasn't enough information at that time to treat addicts/ alcoholism like we do today. Just like society, we have progressed. Things have been studied. Medical professionals almost all agree that alcoholism is a real thing. You make no sense at all. I would suggest that you contact an addiction specialist since your beliefs are so odd. Too many people sputtering nonsense as if it were facts.
You are very emotional about the subject and psychologically projecting.

I stated something now you have a Choice to refute with another fact or just say you can't bring any new points to the discussion but choose to disagree.
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Old 07-14-2019, 02:03 PM
 
Location: minnesota
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No, because my drinking days are well behind me. It sounds like it might be time for you to hang it up too.
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Old 07-14-2019, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Ro cha cha, NY
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You are very emotional about the subject and psychologically projecting.

I stated something now you have a Choice to refute with another fact or just say you can't bring any new points to the discussion but choose to disagree.

Yes, I am very emotional about helping someone who is reaching out for help. Then, that person gets nothing but crap from people who would rather shame him than help him. You have contributed nothing. If he could help himself, he would have. Instead, he's been continually shamed. Shame on you and on others. This could be the difference between him getting help and staying sober or by spiraling out of control/ possibly dying. For those who have contributed positively, thank you. For the rest, I hope that you never love someone who is in the grips of addiction.


I'll listen to nonsense when it's worth listening to. I know more about addiction/ alcoholism than you. I have credentials to prove it. Nothing you said was worth zilch. If this is your idea of helping someone, then I would suggest you don't bother. The whole choice theory is tiring. Fine, you believe it's a choice. We get it. Thanks for the contribution.

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Old 07-14-2019, 02:23 PM
 
Location: minnesota
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Yes, I am very emotional about helping someone who is reaching out for help. Then, that person gets nothing but crap from people who would rather shame him than help him. You have contributed nothing. If he could help himself, he would have. Instead, he's been continually shamed. Shame on you and on others. This could be the difference between him getting help or staying and spiraling out of control, thinking that there is no hope.


I'll listen to nonsense when it's worth listening to. I know more about addiction/ alcoholism than you. I have credentials to prove it. Nothing you said was worth zilch. If this is your idea of helping someone, then I would suggest you don't bother. The whole choice theory is tiring. Fine, you believe it's a choice. We get it. Thanks for the contribution.
The OP may very well be on the part of the spectrum where he does have a choice though. It was my experience that the addiction fired off warning shots as it progressed. My first blackout was at age 35 and I didn't have another one for years. Toward the end I was blacking out all the time. I also experienced once that feeling of not having a choice. Luckily I got out before I lost my right of refusal.
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