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Old 02-17-2009, 10:58 PM
 
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Couldnt u say the Jews did these things because the bible told them to do it? Or in another way, could/would the Jews do these things if the bible did not predict (instruct) them to do it?
You could assume a lot of things. Like maybe Hitler put up those death camps and murdered 6 million Jews to help incourage the Jews to return to Israel to fulfill the prophecies of the Bible. However, such assumptions would have little to do with facts. Even today the Jews do not follow the Scriptures, it is doubtful that the return of the Jews to Israel had anything to do with their belief in the prophecies of the Bible. Especially taking into consideration few Jewish people even consider the prophecies of the Bible today.
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Old 02-18-2009, 08:04 AM
 
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Well if you recall, Campbell is the one who presents the evidence here. And it is usually the others who refuse to believe it. And they do so, even when the evidence is factual. What has been presented to Campbell is usually assumptions, which I do not see as evidence.
And there you have it, in your own words. It is not evidence unless you believe it, it is assumptions. My, how does it feel to be so perfect? Isn't pride one of your sins? That, and bearing false witness?

Seems that you don't even live up to your own warped expectations.
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Old 02-18-2009, 08:09 AM
 
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The God I pray to has already revealed Himself to me. I need not die first to know Him. God has already given me a small glimpse of Heaven. My God is not just some historical figure, I know Him personally. He is a God of wonder.
You must truly be a saint, having already seen god and come to be one of his buds. Trouble is, most would call that fantasy or aberrant thinking. Did you instruct your god as to how to act at the same time? Since you appear to be so holy, I am sure that you must have.

By the way, per your standards, personal revelation is not proof of anything, being unprovable.
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Old 02-18-2009, 09:25 AM
 
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You could assume a lot of things. Like maybe Hitler put up those death camps and murdered 6 million Jews to help incourage the Jews to return to Israel to fulfill the prophecies of the Bible. However, such assumptions would have little to do with facts. Even today the Jews do not follow the Scriptures, it is doubtful that the return of the Jews to Israel had anything to do with their belief in the prophecies of the Bible. Especially taking into consideration few Jewish people even consider the prophecies of the Bible today.
dont follow the scriptures ?!? I thought the Jews justified being in Israel based on their religious claim of ownership to the land given to them by God. If its not from the Scriptures then where is the claim coming from??
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Old 02-19-2009, 09:19 AM
 
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dont follow the scriptures ?!? I thought the Jews justified being in Israel based on their religious claim of ownership to the land given to them by God. If its not from the Scriptures then where is the claim coming from??
The Jews believe that history shows them to be the orginals owners of the land, yet history has little to do with the Jews following God today.
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Old 02-19-2009, 09:24 AM
 
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You must truly be a saint, having already seen god and come to be one of his buds. Trouble is, most would call that fantasy or aberrant thinking. Did you instruct your god as to how to act at the same time? Since you appear to be so holy, I am sure that you must have.

By the way, per your standards, personal revelation is not proof of anything, being unprovable.
At no time did I say I saw God. I said God has revealed Himself to me. God would reveal Himself to you I believe, if you actually took the time to seek Him, rather than oppose Him. And I don't care what people think, I am more concerned about what God thinks.
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Old 02-19-2009, 09:28 AM
 
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And there you have it, in your own words. It is not evidence unless you believe it, it is assumptions. My, how does it feel to be so perfect? Isn't pride one of your sins? That, and bearing false witness?

Seems that you don't even live up to your own warped expectations.
If you are a believer in Evolution, most of that belief is based on assumptions. Much of what I believe about the Bible can be seen in hard evidence. This belief does not require one to be perfect, or prideful, just truthful.
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Old 02-19-2009, 10:02 AM
 
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how can anyone who reads a translated version of the bible believe they are reading the word of god? It has been translated from its original language (latin?) into the different spoken languages of today. but before it was translated it was copied, by hand mind u, hundreds maybe thousands of times over the last 2 millenia. between all the hand copying and the tranlating over all this time do u really think anything wasnt ommited, re-interpreted, tranlated incorrectly, or added??
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Old 02-19-2009, 12:36 PM
 
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If you are a believer in Evolution, most of that belief is based on assumptions. Much of what I believe about the Bible can be seen in hard evidence. This belief does not require one to be perfect, or prideful, just truthful.
So when are you going to start being truthful? Or are you going to continue to justify anything you wish by twisting your own beliefs?
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Old 02-19-2009, 12:37 PM
 
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how can anyone who reads a translated version of the bible believe they are reading the word of god? It has been translated from its original language (latin?) into the different spoken languages of today. but before it was translated it was copied, by hand mind u, hundreds maybe thousands of times over the last 2 millenia. between all the hand copying and the tranlating over all this time do u really think anything wasnt ommited, re-interpreted, tranlated incorrectly, or added??
Unfortunately, some do believe just that and attack any who dare to diagree.
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