5 reason why not to move san diego, ca. (Oakland, Richmond: restaurants, price)

[Fran66]

Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth

The Bay is cooler and greener than SD. Gentoo is smart to grab a toehold on the Bay. He can work his way around from Richmond, in time.

For 5 years I lived very close to there. I can't imagine living there -- but then like I said, to each his own.

[Fran66]

Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth

haha! That's funny! The entire SoCal area used to be a desert. People don't move there for the greenery. I have a similar complaint about NM: no water, no ocean, no "real" trees, only shrubby desert juniper. But that's just the nature of the place, it's in the middle of the SW desert! You wouldn't expect it to be green, much less have ocean front or big lakes. People who don't like that type of environment shouldn't move there and spend their days whining. I suspect SD is a lot better than LA, though, in terms of people, size of the town (manageable, as opposed to: overwhelming), and transportation.

I live 5 floors up in the middle of ABQ. I face the east. There are real and green trees everywhere I can see. Some of them are 7-9 stories tall (dangerous). Santa Fe has even more trees and greenery. Taos has EVEN more. There's a big part of NM -- wish I could remember exactly where -- off The Enchanted Circle, I think -- that reminds me of Big Bear. And what about Red River? Another place that reminds me a lot of Big Bear. So, yes, no water and no ocean -- but we have green real trees and beautiful flowers -- mostly in the spring and summer. It can pretty brown around here in the winter though, I know.

[queenvic]

Originally Posted by earlyretirement

For San Diego it almost seems like lots of people that can't hack it here and have to end up leaving get supper bitter about it and angry that they couldn't hack it here or afford to live at the lifestyle that they wanted. So they get miserable and try to get everyone else miserable about the city as well. They come on the board and constantly ragging on it.

But the truth of the matter is, if they won the lottery or came into some financial windfall.....I think the first thing they would do is probably move back here.. LOL.

I do not feel that anyone is bitter...just some have a realization that SD is not as great as many people purport and indoctrinate others to feel that it is. I was not bitter, angry, or miserable when I left SD - in fact, I was relieved and the happiest I'd been in years. The only thing I was "bitter and angry" about was the racism that I encountered while living there in the 20th-21st century. I'm a college graduate and I made plenty of money to "hack it" in SD. As I said in a previous post, I do not miss the racism and pretentiousness for one second! If I won the lottery, I would move to Seattle, Alaska, or another country... NEVER San Diego!

I do not understand why people who disagree with the "sunshine, rainbows, and America's finest city" ideology of living in SD are constantly berated, ridiculed, and treated with cynicism on this forum. Doing that is exemplative of lower-level thinking. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, irrespective of whether it aligns with yours or not. The last two sentences are directed at everyone on this post, not just the person that I replied to.

[shmoov_groovzsd]

Originally Posted by queenvic

I do not feel that anyone is bitter...just some have a realization that SD is not as great as many people purport and indoctrinate others to feel that it is. I was not bitter, angry, or miserable when I left SD - in fact, I was relieved and the happiest I'd been in years. The only thing I was "bitter and angry" about was the racism that I encountered while living there in the 20th-21st century. I'm a college graduate and I made plenty of money to "hack it" in SD. As I said in a previous post, I do not miss the racism and pretentiousness for one second! If I won the lottery, I would move to Seattle, Alaska, or another country... NEVER San Diego!

I do not understand why people who disagree with the "sunshine, rainbows, and America's finest city" ideology of living in SD are constantly berated, ridiculed, and treated with cynicism on this forum. Doing that is exemplative of lower-level thinking. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, irrespective of whether it aligns with yours or not. The last two sentences are directed at everyone on this post, not just the person that I replied to.

As a fairly regular poster here on the forum, this is not something I see too often.

The reality is, for a thread this long, many of these posts have nothing to do with SD at all. They are issues with CA govt, taxes or fits into issues than ANY other city/state would have. Or better yet what life is like living amongst 3 million+ in a metro area.
Also, there are folks that come here with rose colored glasses that have a totally unrealistic view of coming to live here. Its a very 'the streets are paved with gold' view of the world, until they leave and hate it by blaming the realities that were there the whole time before and after they left.

I think you are totally right in saying others views should be respected. However, its not totally out of the question to see one off posts trying to manipulate fact with subjective feelings and then expect people that dont experience that at all to agree.
In that sense, its tough to have some sort of dialogue when someone cries over spilled milk and then makes blanket statements and apply to all of San Diego.

This is an online forum and interpretation is left to the reader, so its VERY difficult to sometimes portray the 'spirit' of a post rather than the dry blocky characters on the screen.

[earlyretirement]

Originally Posted by queenvic

I do not feel that anyone is bitter...just some have a realization that SD is not as great as many people purport and indoctrinate others to feel that it is. I was not bitter, angry, or miserable when I left SD - in fact, I was relieved and the happiest I'd been in years. The only thing I was "bitter and angry" about was the racism that I encountered while living there in the 20th-21st century. I'm a college graduate and I made plenty of money to "hack it" in SD. As I said in a previous post, I do not miss the racism and pretentiousness for one second! If I won the lottery, I would move to Seattle, Alaska, or another country... NEVER San Diego!

I do not understand why people who disagree with the "sunshine, rainbows, and America's finest city" ideology of living in SD are constantly berated, ridiculed, and treated with cynicism on this forum. Doing that is exemplative of lower-level thinking. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, irrespective of whether it aligns with yours or not. The last two sentences are directed at everyone on this post, not just the person that I replied to.

Obviously I'm not speaking about everyone nor you. However, I do see that from time to time on this board.

Certainly San Diego is NO utopia and I have mentioned the negatives several times.

I'm very sorry to hear you faced racism here in the 20th century but I think you'd agree that there was a lot of racism then in many cities. Many cities have drastically improved over the past few decades and my friends of all races tell me San Diego is a very open and accepting city.

Everyone is free to disagree and nothing wrong with that. San Diego isn't for everyone which I point out quite a bit. But as Shmoov mentioned, I don't see people constantly berated.

[IceTeaDrinker2013]

Most White Europeans I meet really enjoy their vacation in San Diego but find the city too small, sterile and bland for everyday life.

[Fran66]

Originally Posted by IceTeaDrinker2013

Most White Europeans I meet really enjoy their vacation in San Diego but find the city too small, sterile and bland for everyday life.

I'm not trying to start an argument. I just don't understand, because I lived in Europe at one time and after I came back home, I visited a lot. Granted, that was 30 years ago. After a while, I began to think of Europe -- England, Switzerland, Berlin, Nuremburg as too small, sterile and bland. Outside of Paris --

I'll grant that San Diego is not Paris (or NYC), but I never have thought of San Diego, where I grew up and visited a lot over the decades I lived in OC, as "too small, sterile and bland." (I always intensely disliked OC -- where I lived for 30 years -- and I never though of it nearly as nice as SD -- but I never even thought of OC as "too small, sterile and bland". Well, maybe a little 'bland'. LOL Certainly it seemed bland -- to me -- compared to SD.)

I'm sure you don't know in detail but I just wonder what was in the White European visitors' minds while they were visiting SD.

[tonyinsd]

Yeah. That's why nobody ever sits on a jury to try gangbangers who commit murders. They just let them do it. They don't arrest, try, and convict people. They just let them do it.

The thing I got from this thread is that a lot of people make statements that are nothing close to the truth.

Gang bangers running around killing people? Complaining because there aren't real seasons here or because there aren't enough trees? Come on, people.

Just like any place, San Diego has its issues. But there's a difference between talking about real issues and making stuff up.

Originally Posted by skylarktree

Gang stalking in San Diego is Vicious; it is done quite openly. Law enforcement does not interfere with the groups who do it.

[IceTeaDrinker2013]

Originally Posted by Fran66

I'm not trying to start an argument. I just don't understand, because I lived in Europe at one time and after I came back home, I visited a lot. Granted, that was 30 years ago. After a while, I began to think of Europe -- England, Switzerland, Berlin, Nuremburg as too small, sterile and bland. Outside of Paris --

I'll grant that San Diego is not Paris (or NYC), but I never have thought of San Diego, where I grew up and visited a lot over the decades I lived in OC, as "too small, sterile and bland." (I always intensely disliked OC -- where I lived for 30 years -- and I never though of it nearly as nice as SD -- but I never even thought of OC as "too small, sterile and bland". Well, maybe a little 'bland'. LOL Certainly it seemed bland -- to me -- compared to SD.)

I'm sure you don't know in detail but I just wonder what was in the White European visitors' minds while they were visiting SD.

A-LOT has changed in Europe in the past 10 years.

San Diego added the gas lamp, Baseball stadium and prices sky rocketed.

[Ruth4Truth]

Originally Posted by Fran66

I live 5 floors up in the middle of ABQ. I face the east. There are real and green trees everywhere I can see. Some of them are 7-9 stories tall (dangerous). Santa Fe has even more trees and greenery. Taos has EVEN more. There's a big part of NM -- wish I could remember exactly where -- off The Enchanted Circle, I think -- that reminds me of Big Bear. And what about Red River? Another place that reminds me a lot of Big Bear. So, yes, no water and no ocean -- but we have green real trees and beautiful flowers -- mostly in the spring and summer. It can pretty brown around here in the winter though, I know.

I love Taos. It's greener because there's a lot more water up there. Try going into what passes for "national forest" around here. It's like walking in a park full of shrubbery. There's no shade from the sun, because the "trees" are so small. I don't see the attraction. Back to topic: I think it takes a certain type of person to appreciate a desert environment. At least SD has beach and cool ocean breezes.