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[green_mariner]

Originally Posted by 1grin_g0

Fort Worth has a higher percentage of minorities than all of those cities. And it's white population (40%) is less than STL City (44%).

So what? What does that have to do with anything? What is your point? Are you trying to say that minorities should not be in Democratic cities? Boston's White population is about the same as Ft. Worth. And the largest minority in Ft. Worth is Hispanics. And Boston is more than just a tech city.

And why did you disregard the rest of my post? If you are going to do that just don't respond at all.

[1grin_g0]

Originally Posted by green_mariner

So what? What does that have to do with anything? What is your point? Are you trying to say that minorities should not be in Democratic cities? San Jose has an even lower White population than either of those cities. Boston's White population is about the same as Ft. Worth. And the largest minority in Ft. Worth is Hispanics.

And why did you disregard the rest of my post? If you are going to do that just don't respond at all.

If oil cities don't count, then neither do tech cities. So you can eliminate Seattle and San Jose. My point is that the cities that went for Trump or were too close to call are all doing better than Atlanta and STL.

[green_mariner]

Originally Posted by 1grin_g0

If oil cities don't count, then neither do tech cities. So you can eliminate Seattle and San Jose.

Fine then. I have drafted some more examples: Jersey City,NJ. Majority Minority City, next to very violent Newark. And yet, lower crime rate, much lower. Democratic city.

Now can you confront the rest of what I've been talking about. I asked some questions and you keep dodging them.

[green_mariner]

Originally Posted by 1grin_g0

If oil cities don't count, then neither do tech cities. So you can eliminate Seattle and San Jose. My point is that the cities that went for Trump or were too close to call are all doing better than Atlanta and STL.

And pretty much every other Democratic city is doing better than Atlanta or St. Louis. So we can't blame this on Democrats or Republicans. Something else Tulsa is in Oklahoma. It's a Republican city. It has been struggling with a rise in its crime rate.

And there is something else that hasn't been proven. It has not been proven that a Republican mayor would automatically improve the lives of Black people in these cities. Omaha has a Republican mayor. Blacks in Omaha are among the poorest in U.S. cities. Tulsa is a Republican city and has seen its murder rate go up. Oklahoma as a state has one of highest Black murder rates in the nation. Nebraska does too.

[MOforthewin]

Originally Posted by green_mariner

OKC, Fort Worth, and Jacksonville said "Needed to parse", meaning the data isn't there. Virginia Beach is a military city and has a population under 500,000. Mesa is a suburb of Phoenix and still has a population of under 500,000. Mesa is 3.5% Black.

You mentioned cities of 500,000+ that voted for Trump. There are none. That wasn't by point. There is mention of "Democrats are the problem". Then I brought up Seattle, Boston, Denver. I can bring up more, like Minneapolis, St. Paul, San Jose. Then Blacks were brought up. At that point, we'll just look at the majority Black cities. That is what I was talking about. I brought up Atlanta because despite its problems, it is in nowhere as bad of shape as Memphis or St. Louis. So far, no one can come up with good answers, just something else.

One thing about Jacksonville is that it is a bit skewed. It has three Naval bases. Big submarine port, Navy port and a Naval Air station which can play a factor in voting patterns. People who work in industries related to the military typically vote Republican as they favor increased military spending. If those in the military decide to make that their residence and register to vote there then they're likely to lean Republican too.

[1grin_g0]

Originally Posted by green_mariner

And pretty much every other Democratic city is doing better than Atlanta or St. Louis. So we can't blame this on Democrats or Republicans. Something else Tulsa is in Oklahoma. It's a Republican city. It has been struggling with a rise in its crime rate.

Detroit, Cleveland, Chicago? I honestly don't believe that democratic policies are working for minorities (especially blacks), I wish I could say differently. Asians seem to be doing fairly well regardless of where they reside, better than whites in many cases. Blacks, whites, latinos, are all not doing too great in the Rust belt. I think curbing immigration would help everyone that is currently here. Democrats seem to want to let in lot of refugees, not good. At least Trump is trying to bring back manufacturing jobs.

[MOforthewin]

Originally Posted by green_mariner

And pretty much every other Democratic city is doing better than Atlanta or St. Louis. So we can't blame this on Democrats or Republicans. Something else Tulsa is in Oklahoma. It's a Republican city. It has been struggling with a rise in its crime rate.

And there is something else that hasn't been proven. It has not been proven that a Republican mayor would automatically improve the lives of Black people in these cities. Omaha has a Republican mayor. Blacks in Omaha are among the poorest in U.S. cities. Tulsa is a Republican city and has seen its murder rate go up. Oklahoma as a state has one of highest Black murder rates in the nation. Nebraska does too.

I don't know much about Tulsa, but it seems to still have a somewhat rural mindset though. Very rural just outside cities like that. Cities like Atlanta, Houston, St. Louis, Memphis are older and all have urban sprawl and a bigger influence and less rural mindset than Tulsa or Omaha.

Oklahoma is not a very old state. Will it change? Who knows. Cities like Tulsa, Omaha are still basically in the middle of nowhere, cow towns. Just outside of the cities there is hardly nothing.

[MOforthewin]

Originally Posted by 1grin_g0

Detroit, Cleveland, Chicago? I honestly don't believe that democratic policies are working for minorities (especially blacks), I wish I could say differently. Asians seem to be doing fairly well regardless of where they reside, better than whites in many cases. Blacks, whites, latinos, are all not doing too great in the Rust belt. I think curbing immigration would help everyone that is currently here. Democrats seem to want to let in lot of refugees, not good. At least trump is trying to bring back manufacturing jobs.

Here in Florida it's the same way with the Hispanics and blacks are having problems. South of me is Ft Myers which has a bad crime issue with blacks. Then over in Leigh Acres there is crime issues with the Hispanics.

[glamatomic]

Originally Posted by green_mariner

How is it that Atlanta and St. Louis are majority Black(with Atlanta being of a higher Black population), but Atlanta is markedly safer?

You've said a lot in your posts that I agree with and made some valid and interesting points. I did have to address this however.

As you may be aware, St. Louis City is a separate entity entirely from St. Louis County; so when the FBI does the crime reports it only takes into consideration the city, not any of the suburbs. The central core of most cities throughout the U.S tends to have a higher crime rate.

Therefore, when it comes to St. Louis, a more accurate measure of the crime rate is to compare metro area statistics with other metro areas. Comparing it that way, St. Louis (metro) is ranked safer than the Atlanta metro.

[green_mariner]

Originally Posted by MOforthewin

One thing about Jacksonville is that it is a bit skewed. It has three Naval bases. Big submarine port, Navy port and a Naval Air station which can play a factor in voting patterns. People who work in industries related to the military typically vote Republican as they favor increased military spending. If those in the military decide to make that their residence and register to vote there then they're likely to lean Republican too.

Another thing that skews it is the fact that it's merged with Duval County. Military is a factor, but it's also the case with San Diego. But even San Diego County voted for Hilary Clinton.