Syracuse Suburban Sprawl, good or bad? (Baldwinsville, Madrid: school, college, living in)

[ckhthankgod]

Originally Posted by bellafinzi

It's nice IMO. Just wish it was a little taller.

Newhouse III is probably the only building constructed in Syracuse in the last 20 years I am impressed with....

SciTech looks good now too. I just couldn't find any pictures.

[proulxfamily]

Originally Posted by bellafinzi

Rebuilding the city and building new suburbs are not mutually exclusive. Keep this in mind, every US city with a thriving downtown and central city also sprawls.

This is where you lose me, every time. (And my goodness, you're getting mighty nasty about being disagreed with - it's a forum for discussion - not everyone, or even most, will agree with you. Nor do they have to, I assume. If you wanting no dissenting opinions, you wouldn't have started a forum, right?)

We don't HAVE a thriving downtown and central city... so sprawling out from a city without a large, active, meaningful center is a plan getting more than a little ahead of itself.

[ckhthankgod]

Here's what the Children's Hospital is going to look like when finished:

[RollsRoyce]

Originally Posted by bellafinzi

It's nice IMO. Just wish it was a little taller.

Newhouse III is probably the only building constructed in Syracuse in the last 20 years I am impressed with....

The building was slated to be 1 floor taller, however cost overruns prompted the reduction of one floor after construction began, thus reducing the building's impact on the blighted landscape and view from I-81/I-690. The 2008 annual report on the COE website will show this discrepancy. I'm sure if this was the Center of Excellence in Bioinformatics in Pataki's, Spitzer's, and Patterson's beloved Buffalo, no expense would be spared. Same can be said for the billions invested in nanotech in Albany and most recently AMD/Luther Forest in Malta. Yet of course the state will be happy to cut corners in Syracuse.

[bellafinzi]

Can anyone name a dying US city over 100,000 with inner city poverty that has successfully stopped suburban growth?

There are none.

Why is that?

Maybe the rest of the country has figured out that it is detrimental to the city to stop sprawl outright.

[justflow1983]

I find Newhouse III to be kind of boring really, its a kind of neo-70s derivative. Its just curvy, but aside from that its pretty basic. The dashed/variegated curtain wall is basically just a cheap update on normal glass facades; its cheaper to color it than to make an interesting form. I worked in the office of the local architect (King & King worked on it alongside the design architects) that did the Children's hospital when I was in college, there were a lot of issues that kept it from being built as originally designed, but I think it some ways it actually helped.

[justflow1983]

OK, since bellafinzi is determined to inject the need for suburbia and justify it at all costs even when we've moved on to more constructive topics, I'm going to put forward that those aspects of her posts are just not responded to.

[bellafinzi]

justflow1983, I was just addressing proulxfamily. Otherwise I would have moved on from the sprawl topic. I am getting sick of it myself....

[justflow1983]

It doesn't mean you should just push against it instead. I don't see how that helps the cause of city or suburb.

[bellafinzi]

Originally Posted by RollsRoyce

The building was slated to be 1 floor taller, however cost overruns prompted the reduction of one floor after construction began, thus reducing the building's impact on the blighted landscape and view from I-81/I-690. The 2008 annual report on the COE website will show this discrepancy. I'm sure if this was the Center of Excellence in Bioinformatics in Pataki's, Spitzer's, and Patterson's beloved Buffalo, no expense would be spared. Same can be said for the billions invested in nanotech in Albany and most recently AMD/Luther Forest in Malta. Yet of course the state will be happy to cut corners in Syracuse.

You're right. So typical! Now I remember why about 5 years ago I stopped caring about the city and began focusing my attention on the suburbs where things actually happen in a timely manner. The leadership in the suburbs actually do listen to your advice too. How about that!!!

BTW, I used to promote the city a lot before I realized that no matter how much I tried to give advice to city leadership, no one would listen.