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Speaking of television magic....I didn't think of it until watching episode three again before last night's new installment. In what amounted to a throwaway line, Cersei credits Qyburn with figuring out what kind of poison killed killed her daughter, and being able to not only duplicate it, but the antidote as well.
Really? Wouldn't such a thing involve taking blood or tissue samples and running them through chemical and microscopic examination? This sort of lab pathology was available to Qyburn?
I also question why the Lannisters didn't build a few dozen of those anti-dragon ballistas. As far as they knew, they would be facing three dragons at once. And the fact that they brought the one ballista along on the march suggests that they were anticipating dragon attacks. They were going to shoot down all three beasts with the one weapon?
I expect the one ballista was just a prototype that was taken along "just in case" to test its effectiveness. There are probably batteries of them back at Cersi's castle.
What is left for the Lannisters in terms of a martial arm? It appeared that their entire field army was wiped out in the attack. They lost the small force they left behind at Casterly Rock.
It was mentioned that the gold had been sent ahead to Kings Landing, so we may assume that it was escorted by some sort of guard. They would be alive along with whatever number was left behind to man the walls of Kings Landing and keep order there.
What is left for the Lannisters in terms of a martial arm? It appeared that their entire field army was wiped out in the attack. They lost the small force they left behind at Casterly Rock.
It was mentioned that the gold had been sent ahead to Kings Landing, so we may assume that it was escorted by some sort of guard. They would be alive along with whatever number was left behind to man the walls of Kings Landing and keep order there.
Is there anyone else?
When Cersei meets with the Iron Bank guy she says "The gold is on its way. My brother is supervising its transportation himself". The gold wasn't sent ahead. It's now a giant blob of melted gold assuming it even survives dragon fire. Either way, it now belongs to Dany.
And don't forget the thinly veiled threat by Iron Bank guy: "You can count on the Iron Bank's support....... as soon as the gold arrives". The bankers are not going to be happy.
When Cersei meets with the Iron Bank guy she says "The gold is on its way. My brother is supervising its transportation himself". I don't think the gold was sent ahead. I think it's now a giant blob of melted gold assuming it even survives dragon fire.
When Jaime and the Tarly(?) general are speaking right before the battle, he tells Jaime that the gold has made it safely to King's Landing. He then emphasizes that they need to hurry up and get moving with the rest of the army/supplies as the "head of the army will not be able to come and save the tail if it is attacked". Jaime then quips that they are "rather spread out", they then hear the approaching Dothraki.
Assumption would be that the gold is safe, but that the food they were foraging has been destroyed. It would also be safe to assume that a portion (not sure how much) of the Lannister army was destroyed, but that there is at least another portion that is still available.
I'm starting to wonder if the Three Eyed Raven, when he was killed by the Night's King, somehow warged into Bran and is changing him.
Bran *is* the Three Eyed Raven. He was being trained to take over the role by the old TER (Max Von Sydow). When the old man died in that battle in the cave ("Hold the door"), Bran took over, much earlier than planned, which is why he (Bran) is having such a hard time handling it. He wasn't ready for it.
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There's a theory on the web about Arya, and I think the writers are playing around with the viewers about it.
[]The unsupported theory is that Arya is actually the Waif.
Theory doesn't make sense. (I realize you were only posting it, and not advocating it.) It does nothing to tie in to the story as being told. Any theory to "make it fit" is stretching a small round hole into a huge square peg.
PS: No need to spoilerize theories. It just makes it harder to discuss when it's in spoiler tags.
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Or the writers are just not as good as they think they are. After all, we got some major timeline issues. By the time Jon got to Dragonstone by boat, the Walkers should have easily gotten to the wall by now. So maybe they just don't know what to do with Arya now. And if anything, Bran would have seen something if Arya was not Arya, right?
We've discussed this before, and even the writers have now chimed in. They are not going to worry about timeline issues, as it makes for bad story telling. Part of the reason the books are such a slog is GRRM need to make the timeline work. So he spends hundreds of pages on delaying tactics just to give "X" time to get to "Y". D&D said in an interview they don't have that time, and it makes for poor TV. So when something needs to happen, it happens.
99% of people watching don't even think about it, as the story works. It may bother a few, but they have a choice--get over it, or harp on it.
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Loved the episode!!! Go dany!!!!! Bye bye jaime.
Not a chance on earth. He'll die in a blaze of glory (get it... blaze!), or not at all. That was the Blackwater Rush he is sinking in, so either Bronn, who doesn't wear armor, will save him, or possibly Tyrion, who saw him saved/drowned, will rush to his rescue. Tyrion pulls him out (or has him pulled out), and we finally get a reunion of the brothers, first time since Jaime saved him way back when. If so, Tyrion will send him back to Cersei with a message. And proof of what dragons can do.
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Speaking of television magic....I didn't think of it until watching episode three again before last night's new installment. In what amounted to a throwaway line, Cersei credits Qyburn with figuring out what kind of poison killed killed her daughter, and being able to not only duplicate it, but the antidote as well.
Really? Wouldn't such a thing involve taking blood or tissue samples and running them through chemical and microscopic examination? This sort of lab pathology was available to Qyburn?
I also question why the Lannisters didn't build a few dozen of those anti-dragon ballistas. As far as they knew, they would be facing three dragons at once. And the fact that they brought the one ballista along on the march suggests that they were anticipating dragon attacks. They were going to shoot down all three beasts with the one weapon?
I don't think we can question too closely Qyburn and his "ways". He brought the Mountain back to life, and clearly has amazing pathology skills. It just... is.
Good question on the Scorpions. You would think if Euron Greyjoy can build a thousand ships in 3 episodes on a barren island, that they could build hundreds of ballistas. Both sides are now aware of the other. Westeros now has (re)learned the power of a dragon. And Dani knows there is something that can hurt her babies. Both sides will have to adapt.
There's a theory on the web about Arya, and I think the writers are playing around with the viewers about it.
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The unsupported theory is that Arya is actually the Waif. Supposedly, the Waif won their last fight, and took Arya's face. In the last scene in the House of Black and White, where we see The Waif's bloody face in a niche, it might have been not the Waif's real face, but a borrowed Face that was returned.
Back in season 6, the Waif and Arya played the Game of Faces, where Arya had to recount her life story to the Waif, and the Waif would strike her whenever she detected Arya attempting to lie. Supposedly, it was to teach Arya to be a better liar, but it also gave the Waif all the background information about Arya. The last scene between Jaqen H'Gar and Arya - Jaqen says that now a girl is truly no one. Arya retorts that she's Arya Stark of Winterfell and she's going home. It could be the Waif showing Jaqen that she truly mastered the Arya persona.
The theory would explain some different characteristics about Arya this season, such as table manners not befitting a high-born, her stilted interaction with Hot Pie, her ability to make and use Faces, even good enough to mimic Walder Frey's voice, how she managed to obtain/create enough poison to kill all the men of House Frey, etc.
Still, every now and then, Arya lets something slip that shows she's still Arya. Such as when she encounters Nymeria, offers to let the direwolf come back to Winterfell and be her pet again. Back in season one, her father Ned Stark told Arya that she would be married to a lord or prince, be a Lady of a House, and have lots of sons. Arya tells her father "that's not me"; when Arya realizes that Nymeria is no longer a pet, she echoes that phrase, telling Nymeria "that's not you".
And then the writers just have to have her duel Brienne, beat her (showing a much improved skill she never exhibited before), and when asked who taught her, Arya, instead of saying the First Sword of Braavos, said "No One" - echoing Jaqen's statement "finally a girl is no one", possibly the Waif-as-Arya referring to the dead Arya.
So now I'm stumped. Is Arya really the Waif using Arya's face, or are the writers aware of the incorrect theory and just screwing around with us?
That sounds entirely too complicated. The Waif would have had to download Arya's brain.
When Jaime and the Tarly(?) general are speaking right before the battle, he tells Jaime that the gold has made it safely to King's Landing. He then emphasizes that they need to hurry up and get moving with the rest of the army/supplies as the "head of the army will not be able to come and save the tail if it is attacked". Jaime then quips that they are "rather spread out", they then hear the approaching Dothraki.
Assumption would be that the gold is safe, but that the food they were foraging has been destroyed. It would also be safe to assume that a portion (not sure how much) of the Lannister army was destroyed, but that there is at least another portion that is still available.
Gotcha. But, I think it's a bit strange that the meeting with the Iron Bank wasn't just a "Hey, here's your money" one. Could just be another GOT timeline thing or could Cersei be plotting to take over the Iron Bank? Was the gold already there and she hasn't paid them because she has another plan??? Or maybe she planned to pay them, but with the loss of the food from High Garden and a large percent of her army will use the gold to rebuild both.
I also question why the Lannisters didn't build a few dozen of those anti-dragon ballistas. As far as they knew, they would be facing three dragons at once. And the fact that they brought the one ballista along on the march suggests that they were anticipating dragon attacks. They were going to shoot down all three beasts with the one weapon?
What is left for the Lannisters in terms of a martial arm? It appeared that their entire field army was wiped out in the attack. They lost the small force they left behind at Casterly Rock.
It was mentioned that the gold had been sent ahead to Kings Landing, so we may assume that it was escorted by some sort of guard. They would be alive along with whatever number was left behind to man the walls of Kings Landing and keep order there.
Is there anyone else?
I'm pretty certain that a substantial cohort of Lannister soldiers was left at King's Landing. I don't think that Cersei would be stupid enough to rely only on the City's Gold Cloaks to defend her from the mob if things went sideways.
Plus, survivors from the ravaged Lannister army will probably limp back to King's landing - they were at most a day's march away when they were attacked. I guess it depends on whether the Dothraki take the time to run down all of the fleeing Lannister soldiers.
Additionally, Cersei is allied with Euron Greyjoy and his fleet. Some of Euron's sailors/fighters might be pressed into service as garrison troops to defend the walls of King's Landing.
Finally, while Dickon Tarly was with the Lannister column, his father Randyll Tarly was back in the Reach, most likely along with his own forces, consolidating his hold. But I don't see Lord Tarly sending his army to rescue the Lannisters in Kings Landing.
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