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Old 04-05-2014, 08:24 AM
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It probably depends on how you describe "injury". Is a scratch an injury? Death is death, there's no gradation. I can't find any stats other than deaths.
Sure! Like this one! [see about 1:25]


Monty Python-The Black Knight - YouTube

Tis but a scrach!
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Old 04-05-2014, 08:31 AM
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Well, there you go!
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Old 04-05-2014, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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I do think it is weird we don't see car accidents as a public health problem. Considering we (as tax payers) are responsible for paying for the ongoing costs. (This does nor mean get rid of cars, it means creating safer roads).
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Old 04-05-2014, 09:27 AM
 
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Transit is obviously safer.
Not when you put your life in the hands of an incompetent train operator or bus driver. I will continue to safely drive myself to the places I need to go.

Green Line train derails west of Kenmore Station - Metro - The Boston Globe

Operator of train that jumped tracks at Chicago's O'Hare Airport fired - CNN.com

Railroad Accident Brief: RAB-11-07

Chicago Train Crash: Blue Line trains collide near Harlem stop in Forest Park: dozens injured near Harlem, Eisenhower Expressway | abc7chicago.com

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/11/ny...rlem.html?_r=0

Commuter train derailment kills 4 in NYC

I sure I will be able to find many more examples but I have weekend errands to attend to.
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Old 04-05-2014, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Thank you. Those touting "Wikipedia" as their source tend to not mention that anyone can go in and alter the Wikipedia description.

The CDC data from the link comes from a 2010 report found here:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_04.pdf
The CDC report says motor vehicle accidents account for 18.6% of all accidental deaths which themselves are a smaller fraction of all causes of death. There are more deaths by suicide than by motor vehicle.

So if a bicyclist gets killed riding illegally in a freeway lane should it be classified as a suicide, a motor vehicle accident, or some other classification?

Wonder how many of the "motor vehicle accidents" were cases where the car's passengers were on their way to "park and ride" to take transit?

Transit proponents don't eliminate or reduce death rates with their propositions - moreover the congestion and unsanitary conditions ubiquitous with transit expose folks to a wide array of additional health risks including mugging, rape, assault, and virtually every communicable disease out there.






Here's an interesting transit story:

One dead, four injured by body parts after person hit by train at New Brunswick, NJ station
The death in New Brunswick was because the guy was a moron looking over to see if the train is coming, that is an extremely dangerous thing to do for this reason. But really that is a freak accident more than anything else.

As for how many accidents happened when people were on their way to a park and ride is a strawman argument because that is like trying to blame traffic accidents on aviation because the accident happened while someone was driving to the airport to fly somewhere.
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Old 04-05-2014, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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You also put your life in other people's hands when you drive a car, you have no control over someone else choosing to run a red light as you enter an intersection.
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Old 04-05-2014, 09:36 AM
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Transit isn't perfectly safe, nothing is. But both buses and trains have a lower fatality rate than driving:

Railroads Remain Safer Than Cars Despite Metro-North Train Crash | TIME.com

Note death by train and death by passenger train give completely different numbers:

By the Numbers, Flying is a lot Safer than Driving or Taking the Train - AirlineReporter.com
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Old 04-05-2014, 09:55 AM
 
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You're really misinformed. You actually believe you are more likely to get hurt in a train accident than in a car accident?

U.S. transportation safety over time: Cars, planes, trains, walking, cycling Journalist's Resource: Research for Reporting, from Harvard Shorenstein Center

Drivers or passengers in cars or light trucks faced a fatality risk of 7.3 per billion passenger-miles: A person who was in a motor vehicle for 30 miles every day for a year faced a fatality risk of about 1 in 12,500. Relative to mainline trains, buses and commercial aviation the risk was 17, 67, and 112 times greater, respectively.

Note that rail transit is not included in that sentence because such a tiny number of people die from rail transit accidents - only 22 passengers per year on average.
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Old 04-05-2014, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Jamestown, NY
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Out of curiosity, would you prefer to be mugged and lose your wallet (and be psychologically impacted) or get in a car accident and lose your legs or life?

I guess you could ask the question on other levels: Deal with close proximity to other people or having to merge with traffic on a crowded highway?

Argue with someone on transit or swear, swerve and yell at someone on the highway?

Have to walk five extra blocks in the cold or pay for a parking spot in a garage?
Your question is disingenuous. People have been killed or seriously injured by muggers while most car accidents do not result in deaths or life threatening injuries.
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Old 04-05-2014, 05:57 PM
 
Location: Northville, MI
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If we're going to show stats for car accident death rates, perhaps the mass transit is more dangerous due to crime and disease should be backed up as well?

That link for the train accident was probably a suicide.
It happened when I was attending class at Rutgers . Helicopters were all over the area.

There are several signs telling you to look out for oncoming trains and STAY BACK. This man was stupid to hang over, don't blame the train driver here. Its like not yielding while entering the freeway.
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